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    Pretty in pink? Well, pink but a little ugly...

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    I really should've gone the spray putty but I thought I'd be doing this at night so I stuck with the blade putty, but that's just not real good for large areas. And of course I ended up doing it during the day...

    Anyway, all on and ready to sand, but there are some little spots I'll have to touch up with some more putty yet.

    Also, the broken cam chain guide holder post in the lower crankcase should be repaired now.

    Ducked down to a mate's the other night to get it drilled and tapped so I can just use a longer screw, then high strength loctite on the broken post to hold it in place. I put some grease on the screw so it wouldn't get loctited in there and fingers crossed it should be good to go.

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    1982 GS450E - The Wee Beastie
    1984 GSX750S Katana 7/11 - Kit Kat - BOTM May 2020

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      I'm beginning to think I should give this a quick sand, then wait until the weekend and go with the spray putty after all. The blade putty has been applied way too uneven, some spots are way too thick and others are too thin.

      I'm revealing high spots that I really don't think are that high, I think it's just the application of the putty.

      Only catch is the spray putty is acrylic, any idea if it'll be safe to put two pack primer and paint over the top? Google gives me conflicting answers, but that's more about two pack over acrylic primer which I won't be doing.

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      1982 GS450E - The Wee Beastie
      1984 GSX750S Katana 7/11 - Kit Kat - BOTM May 2020

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        You would be better off with a 2 part high build epoxy primer. It shrinks a lot less than acrylic, it builds quickly, dries quickly and sands easily. It is also unaffected by the products you will be putting over, unlike acrylic.

        That pink putty, commonly called bondo here, just adds weight IMOP. Because you can't get it perfectly even, unless your experienced, it usually ends up with high and low spots, which you are experiencing right now.

        Daryl
        1978 Gs1085 compliments of Popy Yosh, Bandit 1200 wheels and front end, VM33 Smoothbores, Yosh exhaust, braced frame, ported polished head
        1983 Gs1100ESD, rebuild finished! Body paintwork happening winter 2017

        I would rather trust my bike to a technician that reads the service manual than some backyardigan that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix things.

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          You've got to fill and sand it a couple times probably, Pete. I hope you're using 36 grit, or at least 40 grit at this stage, because, again, you need it to cut quickly and cleanly. 80 grit at this stage just won't do it. You'll find a few low spots for sure. The trick is determining whether you're battling a high spot that will fool you into thinking it's surrounded by a low spot that you fill, sand, fill, sand..argh. Sometimes you have to go deeper into the fiberglass again to get that high spot down. Something else to make it a bit easier, is to not wait so long to sand the filler. It gets rock hard after a couple of days. Apply it, and then just as it's kicking off, take your 36 to it and rough sand it to shape..before..it hardens. It will gum up your sand paper but have a wire brush on hand to clean it off as it fills up and continue. You can literally sculpt it easily that way, then finish sand it once it dries. I'd follow this stage up with a good high-build primer as mentioned above from Daryl. You'll be amazed at how well it will fill low spots. Use a guide coat as you have planned over the primer. Block sand, prime, repeat. Spray putty, in my opinion, is a waste of time and money. You'll get to a point where the fillers are so thick it may cause problems down the road. That fairing doesn't look to have that many discrepancies to warrant that amount of filler.
          Last edited by nvr2old; 12-12-2017, 01:32 PM.
          1979 GS1000S,

          1982 Honda CX500 Turbo, 1982 Honda MB5 w/CR80 motor, 1977 Honda "nekid" Goldwing, 1976 Honda CB550F cafe', 1972 Honda XL250 cafe'

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            Cheers for the input guys! I thought some more about it yesterday and last night and the spray putty is definitely off the list.

            I kept at it last night and realised a couple of things.

            Firstly, the top of the headlight area is actually slightly concave, but I've been trying to sand it flat, so that will be much easier to deal with now I understand that.

            Secondly, as far as the putty goes it's actually doing what its designed for really well, which is filling in all those little divets in the fibreglass patches and other tiny spots like that where the body filler and fibreglass slurry were too coarse to fill.

            The putty's proving nice and easy to sand Larry, using 80 grit wet and dry is making it a nice easy job thankfully.

            So, I'll get this sanding finished, then will leave it until I get the paint in January/February, then I'll mix the 2K primer in high build and use that with a guide coat to finish this off (multiple times if necessary). I don't think I'll need the extra epoxy primer if I do it this way.
            1982 GS450E - The Wee Beastie
            1984 GSX750S Katana 7/11 - Kit Kat - BOTM May 2020

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              Sounds like you have a plan and things in hand, Pete. Forgive me if I go a bit overboard on advice. It can probably sound a bit snooty at times. I wish I could run my hands over it..that would quell some of my fears. When you say "blade putty"..is that the same as plastic filler? Is it a softer medium..? I only ask because 80 grit has never worked for me except to sand out 36 grit scratches after the filler has been shaped.
              1979 GS1000S,

              1982 Honda CX500 Turbo, 1982 Honda MB5 w/CR80 motor, 1977 Honda "nekid" Goldwing, 1976 Honda CB550F cafe', 1972 Honda XL250 cafe'

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                Not at all Larry, I appreciate any and all advice when it comes to bodywork and painting. I've only done it the one time previously on the 450, so while I might have something vaguely resembling a clue this time, I'm still nowhere near experienced nor knowledgeable on the topic. I at least know some mistakes not to repeat

                Right now it's quite rough due to the putty, but where I've started getting stuck in with the sanding again it's coming out nice and smooth and I can't feel any obvious lumps and bumps that shouldn't be there. I'm relying on the guide coat when I get to that point to tell me what my hands don't tell me.

                As for the products, might be easier to give you links to the products.

                This is the body filler I used, seemed to be the best option for the little bits I needed and to make sure it was flexible enough for use on fibreglass:

                Supercheap Auto is Australia's leading auto spares, parts and accessories retailer stocking a variety of car batteries, air filters, coolants and more online or in stores nationwide


                And this is the blade putty. It's a single part putty, and I know it works well on fibreglass under 2K primer and paint as this is what I used on the 450's tail piece and it's been over 6 years now with no issues:

                Supercheap Auto is Australia's leading auto spares, parts and accessories retailer stocking a variety of car batteries, air filters, coolants and more online or in stores nationwide


                Incidentally, to clarify Daryl's comment on bondo... typically over here we call body filler bog... we do use the term bondo but I though it related to filler also rather than putty but I could be wrong.
                1982 GS450E - The Wee Beastie
                1984 GSX750S Katana 7/11 - Kit Kat - BOTM May 2020

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                  I see now, your blade putty is what I know as glazing putty. Used mostly, from my experience, for filling pin holes, small stone chips in paint, etc. I have a tube of it that must be close to 20 years old as I hardly use it. The high build primer will fill pin holes. Basically you are doing multiple steps to achieve what the high build will do.

                  Once I was introduced to the high build there was no turning back. It seriously speeds up the process for final paint work.

                  Bondo is a polyester based filler which requires MEKP paste to harden it. It cures quickly, is easily sculpted and adheres very well to metal or Fiberglass. If I am working with plastic body panels or a special piece of Fiberglass body I use a 5:1 epoxy and add micro balloons for filling, it has superior bonding qualities over polyester.

                  You are doing a fine job all the same! Keep it up, this is still my favourite thread on GSR

                  cheers,
                  Daryl
                  1978 Gs1085 compliments of Popy Yosh, Bandit 1200 wheels and front end, VM33 Smoothbores, Yosh exhaust, braced frame, ported polished head
                  1983 Gs1100ESD, rebuild finished! Body paintwork happening winter 2017

                  I would rather trust my bike to a technician that reads the service manual than some backyardigan that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix things.

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                    This bike better end up as bike of the month when its finished, or so help me...
                    I build Pipers

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                      Originally posted by Fjbj40 View Post

                      You are doing a fine job all the same! Keep it up, this is still my favourite thread on GSR
                      Mine too!!! Always look forward to seeing updates from Pete and this cool build.

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                        Cheers guys! I dunno about BOTM, I just wanna get it finished for the moment, I'll be happy if she's just all neat and tidy and the way I want her

                        Daryl, I got you now. The two part filler I used is closer to bondo for sure, but I'm not sure what the hardener is off the top of my head. I've heard of micro balloons before at least

                        In that case I'll stick with the current plan for the cowl, finish this sanding, then wait to do the high build primer.

                        Hopefully I can move on to other paint prep real soon then, I have the front mudguard, four side panels, and tail piece to prep yet, and of course the tank once I can purchase it. The side panels will just need paint, but I need to check the mudguard and tail piece properly to see if there's any spots that need some attention.
                        1982 GS450E - The Wee Beastie
                        1984 GSX750S Katana 7/11 - Kit Kat - BOTM May 2020

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                          A mate popped around yesterday to drop off the drive shaft with the removed 2nd gear after we didn't quite get there Friday night (photos of his natty 3 bolt gear puller to come).

                          It looks like it may have spun on the shaft and partially welded itself in place, so what's the thoughts on re-using this 2nd gear and shaft? Is it safe to do so if it gets welded?

                          This is the "better" gearbox I picked up, so all the gears are good except 5th. I can always press 2nd off the original gearbox to compare, but it's 1st gear didn't seem as good as this one.

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                          Untitled by starpoint73, on Flickr

                          I also degreased and pressure washed the crankcases so I can start preparing them for paint.

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                          1982 GS450E - The Wee Beastie
                          1984 GSX750S Katana 7/11 - Kit Kat - BOTM May 2020

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                          Katana 7/11 thread: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...84-Katana-7-11

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                            Got an answer on 2nd gear... re-use is ok, and definitely needs welding. I'll get onto that in the new year. A mate has had his welded on by someone who took extreme care not to overheat the shaft or gear and did an excellent job, so I'll stick with him as tried and true for a good result. I just need to chamfer the outside edge of the gear (around the internal diameter) so there's somewhere for the weld to sit without interfering with the bearing.

                            Persevering slowly with the cowl, I'm a bit over sanding and am definitely regretting the putty... so much extra work to do as a result. It's not too far off being done at least. I'd most definitely have moved on to something else if I skipped the putty in favour of high build primer!

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                            I got a good start on the front mudguard as well, the paint is coming off much easier than the cowl.

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                            I did have one little crack at the rear I've welded up just using a soldering iron to stop it tearing any further. It's not visible at all from the outside.

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                            1982 GS450E - The Wee Beastie
                            1984 GSX750S Katana 7/11 - Kit Kat - BOTM May 2020

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                            Katana 7/11 thread: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...84-Katana-7-11

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                              Excellent work on the fairing, Pete. All your efforts will be rewarded once you get it in primer and see how nicely the contours have turned out. High-build primer will do wonders when you block sand it out. I only see one small low spot on the lower left side of the headlight that I'm sure you're also aware of. It's coming along great. Pat yourself on the back, my friend.
                              1979 GS1000S,

                              1982 Honda CX500 Turbo, 1982 Honda MB5 w/CR80 motor, 1977 Honda "nekid" Goldwing, 1976 Honda CB550F cafe', 1972 Honda XL250 cafe'

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                                Cheers Larry, there's still a bunch of low spots all over the shop at the moment as the unevenness of the putty application still isn't quite sorted yet, but getting close.

                                I definitely can't wait to get some high build primer on it to see how it really is, hopefully I can at least have the primer done by the end of January and then I'll plan on taking some time off in February to do the paint work so I can take my time and get all the colour and clear done properly.
                                1982 GS450E - The Wee Beastie
                                1984 GSX750S Katana 7/11 - Kit Kat - BOTM May 2020

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                                Katana 7/11 thread: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...84-Katana-7-11

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