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trtsmb
06-13-2015, 08:55 PM
I'm on the petite side but I've been riding since 1984. Today, I stopped at the local bike shop with a friend to look at helmets and tank bags. He was just browsing the bikes while I did my thing and took a liking to a Triumph Tiger 1200. All fine and good since he's been considering an adventure bike to go with his 1100L. I swear to god every last sales person in the place assumed I rode the back of his bike even though I pulled in the parking lot on my own bike. It so irritating that after 30 years, men still think women ride pillion.

Lorenzo
06-14-2015, 12:33 PM
Still care after all this years....?:peaceful:

trtsmb
06-14-2015, 12:53 PM
Still care after all this years....:peaceful:

What can I say? It's a sore spot with me that people assume because I'm small, I can't do things like ride my own motorcycle.

yank
06-14-2015, 01:45 PM
Park it in the showroom next time! :)

Lorenzo
06-14-2015, 02:46 PM
When I was abroad (working) people kept asking if I was working in a "pizzeria"... :nightmare:

trtsmb
06-14-2015, 03:33 PM
Park it in the showroom next time! :)

I'm supposed to be going back there Wednesday so my friend can test drive a Triumph Explorer, I may drive it in :).

trtsmb
06-14-2015, 03:33 PM
When I was abroad (working) people kept asking if I was working in a "pizzeria"... :nightmare:

Hmmmmmmmm! People make me wonder sometimes.

Big T
06-15-2015, 04:16 PM
Tamara

My sister in laws sister, while not short, has a similar issue. She wanted to buy a car for her house in the Hamptons (the land side) as she's a VP at Viacom and makes that sort of money.

She couldn't find a salesman who didn't completely patronize her. She had my brother go with her the 2nd time and he got the deal done in about 30 minutes for about 10% less. Being a high powered lawyer helps getting past salespeople.

trtsmb
06-15-2015, 08:40 PM
Tamara

My sister in laws sister, while not short, has a similar issue. She wanted to buy a car for her house in the Hamptons (the land side) as she's a VP at Viacom and makes that sort of money.

She couldn't find a salesman who didn't completely patronize her. She had my brother go with her the 2nd time and he got the deal done in about 30 minutes for about 10% less. Being a high powered lawyer helps getting past salespeople.

I've been spinning wrenches since I was 5. My dad was a mechanic and he always let me help him. He never treated me like a stupid girl so I grew up believing that everyone treated girls that way. What a shock it was to discover most men act like a woman couldn't possibly know the difference between a spark plug and points.

GS1150Pilot
06-15-2015, 10:22 PM
I think it's awesome that you know your way around a motor so well.

Phred
06-16-2015, 10:17 PM
There was a post some time back in the Other Topics, (now Campfire section) that was entitled " One in a billion" I think it was a youtube video. It was about a girl who did some amazing stunt riding on a 650 in a parking lot. Watch this video and I am sure that it will inspire you to come up with some short and smart remark for the next salesman that tries to patronize you. What I usually do for people like this is, instead of getting upset, I engage them in a conversation, and then pull the rug out from underneath their feet. It takes a bit of work and thought, but you have been walking into some fossilized assumptions and presumptions. Over the years I have discovered that it can be a lot of fun to rattle the cages of other peoples pre-conceptions.

Allie
06-16-2015, 11:05 PM
Talking to mechanics used to drive my Mom nuts. She knows a couple things about cars, and did not appreciate being spoken to like a child. My tongue can be a bit quick and acidic at times, I do try to keep that in check...

Sandy
06-17-2015, 12:33 AM
Talk about assumptions. My sister, when she was in her 20s drove a tow-truck for about 5- 6 years in Toronto. She about 5'0" and quite petite. Let's just say a lot of egos got shattered when she jumped out of the truck. Another was about 15 years ago at our previous house in the country. We needed the roof done and one of the local contractors came by to give us an estimate. Every time she asked him a question he would look at me and give the answer - not her. Drove both of us nuts and no he didn't get the job.

trtsmb
06-17-2015, 07:30 AM
There was a post some time back in the Other Topics, (now Campfire section) that was entitled " One in a billion" I think it was a youtube video. It was about a girl who did some amazing stunt riding on a 650 in a parking lot. Watch this video and I am sure that it will inspire you to come up with some short and smart remark for the next salesman that tries to patronize you. What I usually do for people like this is, instead of getting upset, I engage them in a conversation, and then pull the rug out from underneath their feet. It takes a bit of work and thought, but you have been walking into some fossilized assumptions and presumptions. Over the years I have discovered that it can be a lot of fun to rattle the cages of other peoples pre-conceptions.

I like your thinking!

trtsmb
06-17-2015, 07:33 AM
Talk about assumptions. My sister, when she was in her 20s drove a tow-truck for about 5- 6 years in Toronto. She about 5'0" and quite petite. Let's just say a lot of egos got shattered when she jumped out of the truck. Another was about 15 years ago at our previous house in the country. We needed the roof done and one of the local contractors came by to give us an estimate. Every time she asked him a question he would look at me and give the answer - not her. Drove both of us nuts and no he didn't get the job.

I drove a semi and you should've seen the looks I'd get when I climbed down from the cab. When we go in bike shops, my husband always says talk to her when salesmen start addressing answers to him.

BigD_83
06-17-2015, 02:46 PM
Maybe you could wear a blinged out riding jacket, and walk into the shop with gobs of cash popping out of your pockets? That'd grab someone's attention pretty quick.

trtsmb
06-17-2015, 04:05 PM
Maybe you could wear a blinged out riding jacket, and walk into the shop with gobs of cash popping out of your pockets? That'd grab someone's attention pretty quick.

I think my armor is pretty bling :). I'll remember to have cash popping out of the pockets next time.

Rob S.
06-17-2015, 04:19 PM
...walk into the shop with gobs of cash popping out of your pockets? That'd grab someone's attention pretty quick.

Money talks...

When I was 18 and pulled up to the Harley dealer on a CB350, if they said anything at all to me, it was, "Don't touch that!"

When I'm in my 50's and pull up in a new Cadillac, they're all over me. "Want a test ride? Try this one."

GSXR7ED
06-17-2015, 07:14 PM
I'm on the petite side but I've been riding since 1984. Today, I stopped at the local bike shop with a friend to look at helmets and tank bags. He was just browsing the bikes while I did my thing and took a liking to a Triumph Tiger 1200. All fine and good since he's been considering an adventure bike to go with his 1100L. I swear to god every last sales person in the place assumed I rode the back of his bike even though I pulled in the parking lot on my own bike. It so irritating that after 30 years, men still think women ride pillion.

Tamara, I'm curious...were these big galoops (over 6ft tall) or dudes less than 5' 10"? I'm not gonna ask if they had pot bellies but you can elaborate.

One should avoid judging a book by its cover but it seems a difficult task for both sexes.

I think it's great you had a father who mentored you in the art of mechanical engineering. I work with Aircraft Maintainers and some of the females give me a hard time because I don't recognize certain nomenclatures of components installed on the jets. After all, it is expected for guys to be "jack of all trades, master of none".

I'm with the person who said to ride up to the door with your bike in your bling. People need to be reminded not to under estimate knowledge & skill set.


Ed

eddie21
06-17-2015, 07:38 PM
Another was about 15 years ago at our previous house in the country. We needed the roof done and one of the local contractors came by to give us an estimate. Every time she asked him a question he would look at me and give the answer - not her. Drove both of us nuts and no he didn't get the job.

Unfortunately, this was an experience I had as well. My wife told me that, "because I'm a man", I should talk to the contractor who wasn't listening to her regarding a structural issue we were having. After I spoke to the guy, repeating verbatim what my wife had said, he agreed with me and the issue was resolved. I still feel resentment and disappointment that a lot of men don't give women the respect they have earned and deserve.

Sandy
06-17-2015, 09:25 PM
I still feel resentment and disappointment that a lot of men don't give women the respect they have earned and deserve.
Men are kind of good at shooting themselves in the foot. Our local Lordco have a few women working behind the parts counter and they're my go to people when I go there. They're polite, they know their stuff and are efficient and accurate in what they do. They don't just grunt at you like most of the guys do. I work IT and more and more women are working support roles at many major help desks. I find the same thing there too and without the know-it-all attitude and ego. And get this, a recent survey I saw in a biz mag pitted women department heads and CEOs again men and women were more likely to get better funding and budget increases than their male counterparts.

trtsmb
06-17-2015, 09:29 PM
Tamara, I'm curious...were these big galoops (over 6ft tall) or dudes less than 5' 10"? I'm not gonna ask if they had pot bellies but you can elaborate.

One should avoid judging a book by its cover but it seems a difficult task for both sexes.

Ed

They were probably between 5' 10" and 6' and no pot bellies. I swear a prerequisite to work at this Triumph/Kawi/etc shop is to be male models of varying ages. By comparison, I'm a smidge over 5' tall and barely tip the scale at 100# but I wear a snazzy armored jacket :).

GSXR7ED
06-18-2015, 04:36 AM
They were probably between 5' 10" and 6' and no pot bellies. I swear a prerequisite to work at this Triumph/Kawi/etc shop is to be male models of varying ages. By comparison, I'm a smidge over 5' tall and barely tip the scale at 100# but I wear a snazzy armored jacket :).

So, we're talking high visibility dealerships...and here in Florida? (I just noticed your location)

I hit up a motorcycle shop in Las Cruces, NM looking for the spring that goes in the oil filter and was kindly directed to a local hardware store.

They really size you up (generalized term) when you walk into any specialized establishment. I would hope it's to determine their approach in a professional manner.

Some customers may make it easy to poke fun at; the catch is for the representative not to come across condescending.

Meeting a petite woman as yourself would initially prompt curiosity that would allow easy conversation. I'm amazed at the degree of confidence and presentation just by listening.

No matter what, my guess is that you're a breath of fresh air to those that appreciate mechanical aptitude.


Ed

SVSooke
06-18-2015, 05:49 AM
I will admit to a bit of that bias here to.We walked up to the parts department of the local dealer,the was a man and woman there.I was somehow surprised when the woman knew exactly what I was asking for.Yes I should know better:oops:

trtsmb
06-18-2015, 07:49 AM
So, we're talking high visibility dealerships...and here in Florida? (I just noticed your location)

They really size you up (generalized term) when you walk into any specialized establishment. I would hope it's to determine their approach in a professional manner.

Some customers may make it easy to poke fun at; the catch is for the representative not to come across condescending.

Meeting a petite woman as yourself would initially prompt curiosity that would allow easy conversation. I'm amazed at the degree of confidence and presentation just by listening.

No matter what, my guess is that you're a breath of fresh air to those that appreciate mechanical aptitude.


Ed

This one did a massive build out a couple years ago and I think their egos have become a tad large. Admittedly, I don't see a lot of women ride in our area and that might have some bearing on the way I get treated when I walk in especially if I'm with my friend (6' 5").

trtsmb
06-18-2015, 07:53 AM
I will admit to a bit of that bias here to.We walked up to the parts department of the local dealer,the was a man and woman there.I was somehow surprised when the woman knew exactly what I was asking for.Yes I should know better:oops:

When I go to the parts department, I wait to see who acknowledges me. The parts area seems to be the general congregation area at our shop so I never know who actually is a parts person.

GSXR7ED
06-18-2015, 09:08 AM
This one did a massive build out a couple years ago and I think their egos have become a tad large. Admittedly, I don't see a lot of women ride in our area and that might have some bearing on the way I get treated when I walk in especially if I'm with my friend (6' 5").

It's good to hear you venture out with a buddy; especially one so obvious. Good chat...seeya!


Ed

Big T
06-18-2015, 06:26 PM
Oh, they definitely size you up right away (and categorize you if they're idiots)

My buddy Joe made a bunch of money in the tech boom, but, he works from home and his typical attire is Birkenstocks, sweat pants, T shirt and flannel shirt. He puts on jeans when he goes out in public.

He had a friend who was down on his luck and needed a new car, so Joe went into the Dodge dealer looking for a used Caravan. He found one and being a savvy negotiator, he was in the office for a while. His wife got bored and wandered the lot. She comes back in and says "honey, come with me" , so they go look at a Jaguar XK8 on the lot. He test drives it and starts to negotiate the deal for both cars.

The salesman balks at this, saying Joe can't afford the Jag. Joe threatens to go elsewhere and they hammer out a price for both cars. His wife then writes a check for both cars and the salesman is floored by the cash payment.

The additional irony here is that Joe is 6'6" and used to be Mr. Goodwrench.

So, gender or looks, there's lots of people in sales who are not up on the modern world

Phred
06-18-2015, 07:18 PM
Couldn't come up with a one liner when I posted the other day, but it came to me at the crack of dawn this morning. It all hinges on the delivery, and you would have to look the presumptuous offender in the eye and say something like this. " You know, if you were about three hat sizes smaller, I would let you ride pillion on mine!