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    How near are we to the end of ICE motorcycles?

    I just read that Yamaha has been really busy designing electric motors, they now have one that produces 475hp that'll likely be sold to auto manufacturers, far too much for motorcycle but it's not a problem to scale that down. The only issue I see preventing ICE extinction is battery range and the big four Japanese producers have come to an agreement to share a common battery design, working together they'll solve that. It's only a matter of time now I expect it'll come before the end of the decade.

    The major players in the auto industry will hard into the switch to ev by 2025.
    1979 CBX, AW440 Maico, GS1150EF

    #2
    The range problem will be much harder to solve for bikes than it is for cars, because bike are more sensitive to weight gains and because, adjusted for vehicle weight, bikes get atrocious mileage.

    An example, the Chevy Bolt is a smallish car. If it was gas powered, it would hold 14-15 gallons of fuel, weighing about 100lbs. The battery pack in it weighs 960lbs. So basically 10 times the "fuel" weight to get similar range. Typical fuel weight on an ICE bike is 30lbs. So we would have to carry an additional 270lbs of battery weight for similar range. The 270lbs is a much bigger problem on a bike compared to 900 extra for the car.
    Rich Desmond
    1980 GS1000S
    2020 Ducati Multistrada 1260S
    2007 V-Strom 650
    2008 Ducati 848
    2002 DR-Z400S

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      #3
      Dunno. The Zero SR weighs under 500 pounds and has a 220 mile range.
      "Thought he, it is a wicked world in all meridians; I'll die a pagan."
      ~Herman Melville

      2016 1200 Superlow
      1982 CB900f

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        #4
        Power to weight issue, weight isn't a big issue when the EVs can produce massive amounts of torque and hp.

        I would think (maybe I'm being optimistic) that engineering capability of the big four will overcome the range issue relatively quickly.
        Urban commuter bikes with 100k-200m range would seem easy enough, go to work and back, pick up groceries, plug in at night. The Mrs could ride to work for an entire week without charging.

        Distance touring and day trips are the only challenge. I'm a day tripper, give me 200mile range with a 15 minute quick charge and I'm good, that's no different than a gas fill-up with a coffee/donut break.
        1979 CBX, AW440 Maico, GS1150EF

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          #5
          They are already here.

          https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-srf
          "Thought he, it is a wicked world in all meridians; I'll die a pagan."
          ~Herman Melville

          2016 1200 Superlow
          1982 CB900f

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            #6
            Originally posted by GS1150Pilot View Post
            Dunno. The Zero SR weighs under 500 pounds and has a 220 mile range.
            Claimed or real world?
            Rich Desmond
            1980 GS1000S
            2020 Ducati Multistrada 1260S
            2007 V-Strom 650
            2008 Ducati 848
            2002 DR-Z400S

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              #7
              Originally posted by RichDesmond View Post
              Claimed or real world?
              You decide.

              https://www.cycleworld.com/story/mot...es-srf-review/
              "Thought he, it is a wicked world in all meridians; I'll die a pagan."
              ~Herman Melville

              2016 1200 Superlow
              1982 CB900f

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                #8
                I ain't buying no electric motorcycle. I want lightweight, reasonable price, and low maintenance (long term.)
                Ed

                To measure is to know.

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                  #9
                  "Thought he, it is a wicked world in all meridians; I'll die a pagan."
                  ~Herman Melville

                  2016 1200 Superlow
                  1982 CB900f

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by GS1150Pilot View Post
                    charge time is too long for a day trip, the range isn't there and the price is too high.
                    I see one regularly where I go for coffee so someone is using it as a commuter but for my 200-400 day trips it's not ready.

                    But I do believe it's just a matter of time before all those issues are worked out.
                    1979 CBX, AW440 Maico, GS1150EF

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nessism View Post
                      I ain't buying no electric motorcycle. I want lightweight, reasonable price, and low maintenance (long term.)
                      The weight of Zero's aren't excessive, 240-500lbs depending on model. Charge time needs to be quicker I'm not willing to wait 1.5 hrs for a full charge every 200 miles, or increase the range so I don't need to charge on a 400km ride.

                      Prices will come down once the big players start introducing their EVs.

                      Once the bugs are ironed out long term maintenance should be fantastic, there's only has 4 moving parts. The big four aren't going to release a product with significant issues.
                      1979 CBX, AW440 Maico, GS1150EF

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                        #12
                        What about the sound, the look, even the smell? 70's and early '80's air-cooled superbikes rule!
                        1982 GS1100E V&H "SS" exhaust, APE pods, 1150 oil cooler, 140 speedo, 99.3 rear wheel HP, black engine, '83 red

                        2016 XL883L sigpic Two-tone blue and white. Almost 42 hp! Status: destroyed, now owned by the insurance company. The hole in my memory starts an hour before the accident and ends 24 hours after.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by wyly View Post
                          The weight of Zero's aren't excessive, 240-500lbs depending on model. Charge time needs to be quicker I'm not willing to wait 1.5 hrs for a full charge every 200 miles, or increase the range so I don't need to charge on a 400km ride.

                          Prices will come down once the big players start introducing their EVs.

                          Once the bugs are ironed out long term maintenance should be fantastic, there's only has 4 moving parts. The big four aren't going to release a product with significant issues.
                          The batteries age out and are expensive to replace. Lots of guys I know commute with an EV in So. Calif. and all say the range decreases noticeably within a couple of years. That's why they lease instead of buy.
                          Ed

                          To measure is to know.

                          Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

                          Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf

                          KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Rob S. View Post
                            What about the sound, the look, even the smell? 70's and early '80's air-cooled superbikes rule!
                            None of that will matter when the E-bikes completely outperform the old bikes.
                            It was always about speed and power, right? IC engines will be as quaint as steam engines very soon.

                            Did ya see the ad for the HummerEV?
                            The pickup version - Estimated 1000HP, 11,500 lb-ft of torque.
                            0-60 in 3 seconds.
                            350 mile range - 100 mile charge in 10 minutes.
                            A friggin' Hummer...

                            Sure, we can't afford it, but all this tech will be coming to our regular cars and bikes very soon. And I like it!
                            Bob T.

                            '83 GS1100E ~ '01 TRIUMPH TT600 ~ '99 TRIUMPH TROPHY 900 ~ '67 HONDA CUB

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                              #15
                              Yeah. I seriously think my next motorcycle will be electric.

                              https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-ds
                              "Thought he, it is a wicked world in all meridians; I'll die a pagan."
                              ~Herman Melville

                              2016 1200 Superlow
                              1982 CB900f

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