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    Matchless Guest

    Default Rectifier/Regulator replacement list

    Hi,
    Please help me to keep this list up to date by posting any information on the regulators you come across so that the members can use this to determine any replacements.
    Please give as much information as possible, model and make of vehicle, full number on regulator, whether it works properly on the GS and if the holes/size match or wires need changing etc.

    Some information. Most bikes use 3 Yellow wires for the AC from the alternator to the Regulator, Yamaha used 3 white Wires and Suzuki used a Yellow, White/Green and a White/Blue. Suzuki used specific colours as some of their regulators in the late 70's had only regulation on one phase and another switched on and off via the light switch, they did not want the regulated phase and light phase to be swopped if the same colour.

    This list below shows what model bike uses what model of regulator. Usefull if you do not know off which bike it comes or need to know if your bike uses the same current rating etc. I will edit/update it if you post any changes or additions in this thread, just keep on reminding me. Blue highlighted ones are suitable for the GS, so please help me here to get this up to date. The list is not 100% correct and was compiled from info skimmed off the internet, I just compiled it, so any changes and additions are welcome and will help others.
    Hopefully someone can give us some more of the current ratings at some stage for some models.

    It is important to note is that these R/R's have been built to do the same function for over 30 years now and have undergone some internal variations over this period. They were also built for different current ratings, used on different types of charging systems and the later ones are obviously fitted with the latest internal electronic components. Some are for 6V sytems and some are for single phase or 3 phase alternators, usually 12V. There are also older units from the late 70's where the regulator and rectifier could be separate units. A replacement regulator for the GS range of bikes should preferably be a 3 phase shunt regulator/rectifier with a 25A rating (or 35A if you can find one) and will work on any of these bikes and allow a safe margin. Smaller capacity units may overheat and cause early component failure depending on the rating of the charging system and battery (12A, 16A, 20A and 25A). Do not assume that the existing R/R is the correct one as a PO may have fitted a lower rated one in error thus resulting in R/R failure after a period of time and refitting the same may just repeat the problem. Finally there are some regulators that physically look similar to the GS type shunt regulators, but they are actually for field winding controlled alternators such as used by Honda on the Larger CB750 to 900 range and some others. These are NOT interchangeable with shunt type regulators and will not work on a GS!

    Make & Model R/R Brand R/R Model Description
    Honda CB100 Shindengen S4B-01
    Honda CB125T Shindengen SH231-6 6V
    Honda CB200/350 Hitachi RS21
    Honda CB250RS Shindengen SH232-12 12V 18 Amps rating
    Honda CB400/VT750/VTR1000 89-90 Shindengen SH633-12 12V
    Honda CB450A, FT500 82-87 Shindengen SH532-12 12V 35 Amps rating
    Honda CB500/4 Shindengen S4T-05
    Honda CB500/4 Hitachi TL1Z-38 12V
    Honda CB750 79-80 Shindengen SH236-12 12V Field winding type, not suitable for GS
    Honda CB750 79-80 Hitachi TL1Z-38 12V Regulator only
    Honda CB750,1000 94-95 Shindengen SH261-12 12V
    Honda CB750F Shindengen SH236B-12 12V Field winding type, not suitable for GS
    Honda CB900,750,400F 81-83 Shindengen SH236A-12 12V Field winding type, not suitable for GS
    Honda CBR1000FP Shindengen SH261-12 12V
    Honda CBR1000RR 06-07 Shindengen SH678B 12V 35 Amps rating, 15.1 V
    Honda CBR1000RR 08 Shindengen FH-008EB 12V FET 40 Amps rating (with wire tails and plugs)
    Honda CBR1000RR 08 Shindengen FH-014AA 12V FET 50 Amps rating
    Honda CBR1000RR 05? Shindengen SH775 12V Series 35 Amps rating, 14.0 - 15.0V
    Honda CBR250-MC18 Shindengen SH572-12 12V 16 Amps rating, 14.7 V
    Honda CBR400RR SK 30SE1 12V
    Honda CBR600, CB1/400 Unknown RGU107
    Honda CBR600F2 Shindengen SH633-12 12V
    Honda CBX250 Shindengen SH525A-12 12V
    Honda CBX250FG Shindengen SH525A-12 12V
    Honda CBX250RS/NS250R/NS400R Shindengen SH532-12 12V 35 Amps rating
    Honda CBX400/CB750FA Shindengen SH236A-12 12V Field winding type, not suitable for GS
    Honda CBX550 Shindengen SH236B-12 12V
    Honda CBX750F2F Shindengen SH255A-12 12V
    Honda CH125 Elite Scooter 84 Shindengen SH532-12 12V 35 Amps rating
    Honda CM200 Shindengen SH225-6 6V
    Honda CM200 Shindengen SH231-6 6V
    Honda CMX250 Shindengen SH535A-12
    Honda CT200 Shindengen SH571-12 12V
    Honda GL1000 75-78 Toshiba 57T-01
    Honda GL1000 79 Shindengen SH232-12 9.0 12V 18 Amps rating
    Honda GL1000, 1100,1200 80-87 Shindengen SH541C-12 12V 25 Amps 14.4 V(about 1/8" wider & slight mod to fit GS)
    Honda GL1000K1 Shindengen S7T-01
    Honda GL1000K1 76 Unknown 5H5 12V Rectifier only
    Honda GL500 81 Shindengen SH238-12 1.2 12V
    Honda GL1100 Shindengen SH238-12 12V
    Honda GL1100 Shindengen SH538-12 12V (8 Wire, double pos & neg, sense, holes 3mm further apart ream with a drill bit to fit GS)
    Honda GL1100A 82 Shindengen SH538-12 12V (8 Wire, double pos & neg, sense, holes 3mm further apart ream with a drill bit to fit GS)
    Honda GL1200 84-86 Shindengen SH574A-12 12V
    Honda GL145 Shindengen SH5421-15 15V
    Honda GT250 Stanley DE2903
    Honda LEAD 80 Shindengen SH515-12 12V
    Honda Magna V45 82 Shindengen SH543-12 2.2 12V
    Honda Magna V-45 84 Hitachi TS10TR1S-L
    Honda MVX250/CB900 Shindengen SH236-12 12V Field winding type, not suitable for GS
    Honda NS250R/NS400R/CBX250RS Shindengen SH532-12 12V 35 Amps rating
    Honda NSR250-MC16, GZ125Y Shindengen SH572A-12 12V 16 Amps rating, 14.7 V
    Honda Silverwing Shindengen SH538-12 12V (8 Wire, double pos & neg, sense, holes 3mm further apart ream with a drill bit to fit GS)
    Honda Superdream Shindengen SH232-12 12V 18 Amps rating
    Honda TRX300, Fourtrax300 88-92 Shindengen SH532B-12 12V 35 Amps rating
    Honda VF750/1000 Shindengen SH541-12 12V 25 Amps 14.4 V(about 1/8" wider & slight mod to fit GS)
    Honda VFR700 86 Shindengen SH236-12 9.2 12V Field winding type, not suitable for GS
    Honda VT/VN750 Shindengen SH556-12 12V
    Honda VT250FG/MC17 Shindengen SH538-12 12V (8 Wire, double pos & neg, sense, holes 3mm further apart ream with a drill bit to fit GS)
    Honda VT600,VLX 91-05 Shindengen SH538D-13 13V
    Honda VTR1000F 99 Shindengen SH632-633
    Honda VTR250 Unknown 30SE1 Late/spada
    Honda XL185S Shindengen S4B-01
    Honda XL250 Shindengen SH542-12 8.6 12V
    Honda XL600 Shindengen SH542-12 12V
    Honda XLV600V 89-90 Shindengen SH538A-12 12V (8 Wire, double pos & neg, sense, holes 3mm further apart ream with a drill bit to fit GS)
    Honda Unknown Toshiba 4H7-50
    Honda Unknown Stanley DE3804
    Honda Unknown Kokusan Denki RS2125
    Honda Unknown Shindengen SH223-6 6V
    Honda Unknown Shindengen SH514-12 12V
    Honda 125R2 Shindengen SH522B-12 12V
    Honda Unknown Shindengen SH523-6 6V
    Honda Unknown Shindengen SH542-12 12V
    Honda Unknown Shindengen SH542-6 6V
    Honda Unknown Shindengen SH543-12 2.3 12V
    Honda Unknown Shindengen SH557B-12 12V
    Honda Unknown Shindengen SH570-12 12V
    Honda Unknown Shindengen SH582A-12 12V
    Honda Unknown Hitachi TR1Z-30

    List continued on next page.............
    Last edited by Matchless; 05-02-2012 at 01:22 PM. Reason: Update

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    Matchless Guest

    Default Rectifier Regulator list part 2

    .........List continued from previous page

    Kawasaki Concours 1400GTR 08-09 Shindengen FH-012AB
    FET 50 Amps rating 14.4V-15.0V
    Kawasaki GVZ 600R Shindengen SH555-12 6.12
    Kawasaki GPX600 Shindengen SH650-12 18 Amps rating (has 6 pins)
    Kawasaki KLT250,200 Shindengen SH522-12B 12V
    Kawasaki KZ400,200,650, 750 Shindengen SH521-12 12V
    Kawasaki KZ440 LTD Unknown 3G1-501.G3 Field coil type only (7 wires green & brown for field)
    Kawasaki KZ454 Shindengen SH255-12 3.2 12V
    Kawasaki KZ750 Shindengen SH530-12K 12V 20 Amps rating (brown - voltage sense wire, connect to switched +12V)
    Kawasaki Ninja 600 94-96 Shindengen SH650A-12 4.6.112V
    Kawasaki ZR750 Shindengen SH650-12 18 Amps rating (has 6 pins)
    Kawasaki ZX636, 636 Ninja, 6R 04 Shindengen SH650FA-12 3.8083
    Kawasaki Unknown Shindengen SH522-12 1.N 12V
    Kawasaki Z750 Shindengen SH530-12 12V 20 Amps rating (brown - voltage sense wire, connect to switched +12V)
    Kawasaki ZX10/14, R1, FJR 05-06 Shindengen FH-010AA 12V FET 50 Amps rating 14.3V -15.1V
    Kawasaki ZX10 2005 Shindengen FH-010BA 12V FET 50 Amps rating 14.3V -15.1V (mounting holes 3 mm wider than GS, may need bracket)
    Suzuki DL1000 Vstrom Shindengen SH678A-12 12V 35 Amps rating, 15.1V
    Suzuki DR350 Stanley SU245S
    Suzuki FXR150 Shindengen SH572F-12 12V 16 Amps Rating
    Suzuki GF250 Shindengen SH535A-12 12V
    Suzuki GN125/250 Stanley SU217S-2
    Suzuki GS1000GT 80 Hitachi TS10TR1S-L
    Suzuki GS125 Stanley SU217S- 6V
    Suzuki GS400 NipponDenso 137600-0011
    Suzuki GS450 Kokusan Denki RS2142
    Suzuki GS550 Mitsubishi DS16TES-L
    Suzuki GS550ET Unknown 4712
    Suzuki GS750 Stanley DE3802 15V
    Suzuki GS750/1000 NipponDenso 137600-0011 12V Regulator only
    Suzuki GS750/1000E NipponDenso 137600-0030 12V Rectifier only
    Suzuki GS850 NipponDenso 137700-0010
    Suzuki GS1100E 84 Unknown 5SB-BL 4.8
    Suzuki GSX1100ET NipponDenso 137700-0020
    Suzuki GSX250 95 Hitachi RS21
    Suzuki GSX250EX Kokusan Denki RS2142
    Suzuki GSX250SSM Shindengen SH572C-12 45D 12V 16 Amps rating, 14.7V
    Suzuki GSX400 Unknown 4712
    Suzuki GSX400ED/EZ Unknown 4413
    Suzuki GSX400X Unknown 30B0 IMPULSE
    Suzuki GSX750 Unknown 30B0
    Suzuki GSXR250 Shindengen SH572-12 12V 16 Amps rating, 14.7 V
    Suzuki GSXR400 Unknown 33C0
    Suzuki GSXR400RL Unknown 3300
    Suzuki GSXR600 01 Unknown RS41
    Suzuki GSXR600K Kokusan Denki RS4172
    Suzuki GSXR600K6 Unknown RS41
    Suzuki GSXR750K2 Unknown RS41
    Suzuki GT185 NipponDenso 32500-36110
    Suzuki GT250 Stanley 1B2C
    Suzuki GT380 NipponDenso 45281
    Suzuki GT380,500,750 NipponDenso 026000-2222 12V Regulator only
    Suzuki GT380/750 Mitsubishi DS10TW-1
    Suzuki GT550 Stanley 15S4B20
    Suzuki LS650, SV650, DR750 Shindengen SH535A-12 12V
    Suzuki RG125 Shindengen SH5530-13 13V
    Suzuki RG150, 125 Shindengen SH553B-13 13V
    Suzuki RG250 WD/WE1/F Unknown 40A0
    Suzuki RG400 Unknown 20A0
    Suzuki RGV250M Unknown 22D0
    Suzuki RGV25O 89 Hitachi? 20A0
    Suzuki SV650K3 Unknown RS41
    Suzuki SV650SX Unknown AC4124B1
    Suzuki SV650SX Shindengen SH535C-12 12V
    Suzuki TL1000S/R 97-00 Shindengen SH579A-12 12V
    Suzuki TS250ER NipponDenso 126900-0011
    Suzuki VS700, 600 Shindengen SH576-12 12V
    Suzuki VS800 Shindengen SH567-12 12V
    Suzuki X7 Kokusan Denki RS2139
    Suzuki XZ400 Shindengen SH238 12V
    Suzuki Unknown NipponDenso 137600-0012
    Suzuki Unknown NipponDenso 137700-0040
    Suzuki Unknown Unknown 20A0
    Suzuki Unknown Stanley DE2904
    Suzuki Unknown Mitsubishi DS16TES-L 15V
    Suzuki Unknown Kokusan Denki RS2106
    Suzuki Unknown Kokusan Denki RS2142
    Suzuki Unknown Shindenden SH539-13 13V
    Suzuki Unknown Shindengen SH548-12 12V
    Last edited by Matchless; 05-02-2012 at 01:21 PM. Reason: Update

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    ......Continued from previous page

    Yamaha 500 Hitachi SB6B-15 12V Rectifier only
    Yamaha 500cc Hitachi TR1Z-17 12V Regulator only
    Yamaha DT125/175 Stanley Unknown regulator
    Yamaha DT500 75-76 Stanley SRS-610 6V
    Yamaha FJR 2006 R1 Shindengen FH-012 12V FET 50 Amps rating 14.5
    Yamaha FJR13 2007 Shindengen FH-012 12V FET 50 Amps rating 14.5V
    Yamaha FZ600 Shindengen SH230-12 9.4 12V
    Yamaha FZ1 Shindengen SH650C-11 14.1V - 14.9V 18 Amps rating
    Yamaha FZ6 Shindengen SH719AA 14.1V - 14.9V 25 Amps rating
    Yamaha FZ600 Shindengen SH233 12V
    Yamaha FZR600 95, VFR750 Shindengen SH650-12 12V
    Yamaha FZS600 Shindengen SH650-12131
    Yamaha FZS10 2007 Shindengen FH-012 12V 50 Amps rating 14.5V
    Yamaha JOG50 Stanley SU232Y
    Yamaha Maxim 650 82 Toshiba 4H7-502.DZ
    Yamaha Maxim 750 Unknown 67141
    Yamaha PASSOLA Stanley SU20BY
    Yamaha RD Mitsubishi RFT12M2 12V Rectifier only
    Yamaha RD200 Hitachi T107-58
    Yamaha RD400 Shindengen SH235-12 12V 15 Amps rating
    Yamaha RD500 Shindengen SH569-12 12V
    Yamaha RX1 03 Shindengen FH-001 12V FET 40 Amps rating 14.1V - 14.9
    Yamaha Seca 750 81 Shindengen S4T-05
    Yamaha Seca 750 81 Shindengen SH530-12 1.8 12V 20 Amps rating
    Yamaha SR250 Shindengen SH222-12 12V
    Yamaha SR500 Shindengen SH235 14.5V 15A rating
    Yamaha SS50 Stanley DE2304
    Yamaha TT500 Unknown 376-AO
    Yamaha TDM850 97 Shindengen SH650A-12 14.1V - 14.9V
    Yamaha TZR125 Shindengen SH239
    Yamaha TZR250 Shindengen SH569 25A rating
    Yamaha Virago 535 Shindengen SH569A-12T3.N
    Yamaha Virago 750 Shindengen SH238 12V
    Yamaha Virago 920 83 Shendengen SH238 12V
    Yamaha XJ550 81 Toshiba SB515 Field regulated type only (7 wires green & brown for field)
    Yamaha XJ600/900 Shindengen SH233 12V
    Yamaha XJ650/XJ750 Toshiba S8534A 15A rating Field regulated type only (7 wires green & brown for field)
    Yamaha XJ750, 400 Shindengen SH233 12V
    Yamaha XS1100 Unknown RD1143 RG
    Yamaha XS1100 Shindengen SH233
    Yamaha XS250/400 Shindengen SH233 12V
    Yamaha XS400 Stanley DE3804 Rectifier only
    Yamaha XS400/XJ550/XJ650 Unknown 3G1-xxx.xx Field regulated type only (7 wires green & brown for field)
    Yamaha XS650 79 NipponDenso 026000-2790
    Yamaha XS750 Shindengen SH233
    Yamaha XS850 Shindengen S4T-05
    Yamaha XV750 Shindengen SH238/157
    Yamaha YZF-R1 02 Shindengen FH-001 12V FET 40 Amps / 200V rating 14.1V - 14.9V
    Yamaha YZF-R1 04-06 Shindengen FH-011AA 12V FET 50 Amps / 100V rating 14.3V - 15.1V (has very tall fins, consider if enough space)
    Yamaha YZF-R1 2007 Shindengen FH-012AA 12V FET 50 Amps / 40V rating 14.2V - 14.8V
    Kawasaki YZF R6 Shindengen SH650-12 18 Amps rating (Has 6 pins)
    Yamaha Snowmobile 07/08 Shindengen FH-012AA 12V FET 50 Amps / 40V rating 14.2V - 14.8V
    Yamaha Unknown Toshiba 4H7-501.B3 Field regulated type only (7 wires green & brown for field)
    Yamaha Unknown Toshiba 4H7-501.B3 Field regulated type only (7 wires green & brown for field)
    Yamaha Unknown Toshiba 4H7-501.A3 Field regulated type only (7 wires green & brown for field)
    Yamaha Unknown Toshiba 4H7-501.K2 Field regulated type only (7 wires green & brown for field)
    Yamaha Unknown Toshiba 4H7-502.A4 Field regulated type only (7 wires green & brown for field)
    Yamaha Unknown Shindengen SH233 9.0.1
    Yamaha Unknown Shindengen SH546-12 12V
    Yamaha Unknown Hitachi TL1Z-38B
    Arctic Cat 650 H2 Shindengen SH541KD 25 Amps rating, 14.4V (bolts fit GS, large shape)
    Unknown Shindengen SH753AA 32 Amps rating, 14.5V
    Unknown Shindengen SH782 22 Amps rating, 14.5V
    Unknown Shindengen SH785AA 28 Amps rating, 14.5V
    Unknown Shindengen SH775AA 27 Amps rating, 15.5V
    Unknown Shindengen SH678LB 35 Amps rating, 15.1V with tach option
    Unknown Shindengen SH640D 22 Amps rating, 14.7V
    Unknown Shindengen SH821 32 Amps rating, 14.5V
    Unknown Shindengen FH-019 FET 50 Amps rating, 14.2V
    Last edited by Matchless; 05-02-2012 at 01:21 PM. Reason: Update

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    Matchless Guest

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    Can anyone help with more current ratings for the regulators? It will help to make the list more useful to all.

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    Matchless Guest

    Default Honda type charging

    Here is a schematic to show how Honda (CBR1000RR 2004) uses the 5 wire regulator. A 6th sense wire was also used on some models of regulators and can be connected directly to the battery or via a switched supply (ignition) if the model of regulator draws some leakage current from the battery when not in use. Both of these types can also work very well on the Suzukis.
    Last edited by Matchless; 12-26-2008 at 05:36 PM.

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    Matchless Guest

    Default Suzuki older charging system

    Here is a schematic of the older Suzuki type charging system, it has not changed much. Note that the W/G and W/R wires are plugged into each other. This used to be the older method of switching that phase into the circuit when the headlights were switched on. This was later removed and connected as shown below as the wiring, connectors and switches in this part seemed to fail after some time. Correct this on your bike if not already done.


    Here is a later (early 1980's) type regulator showing the actual switching of the 3rd phase for the headlights. Around that time the bikes still had the wiring running to the front but was just plugged together as is shown on the wiring diagrams.

    Last edited by Matchless; 12-28-2008 at 08:37 AM.

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    Default Later Suzuki charging sysytem

    Here is a schematic of a later Suzuki(VX800 1990-93) charging system, not much has changed except that the later regulators, regulate all three phases and use a better/modern type of internal regulation with an ignition switched sensing wire. Delta type stator configuration for the USA was most likely for the headlights always on requirement, giving slightly higher current at lower RPM's ( my guess only).
    Last edited by Matchless; 01-20-2009 at 03:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matchless View Post
    Here is a schematic of a later Suzuki(VX800 1990-93) charging system, not much has changed except that the later regulators, regulate all three phases and use a better/modern type of internal regulation with an ignition switched sensing wire. Delta type stator configuration for the USA was most likely for the headlights always on requirement, giving slightly higher current at lower RPM's ( my guess only).
    My VX800 is wearing a Honda R/R, from a Sabre 700... works great, and it was nice that there was already a switched wire in the harness for the sense wire! I also mounted it on the side of the bike where it can get some airflow, instead of barely an inch from the exhaust pipe.

    I never could find any solid info on why the US had Delta vs. Wye stators, but it doesn't make any difference to the regulator.
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    Default Here is the ultimate regulator

    The new Shindengen 50A rectifier using FET's for shunt regulation. These should be bullet proof!! Has anyone used this? It seems as if the practice of a special sense lead was only used for a short while and discontinued on newer models.
    Last edited by Matchless; 12-27-2008 at 10:40 AM.

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    Default SCR's begone

    I might be reading something into that schematic as to physical location of the R/R, but if that device is located right across the battery and has good physical connections with only the single inline fuse then a separate sense wire is not necessary.

    The sense wire is mainly needed because of the circuitous routing of the typical GS harness between the R/R and the battery.

    Notice that the device only has 1/2 of a full wave rectifier with means it is likely to only drop 1/2 as much power in those power Diode devices. Also the SCR's are now replace by FET's . It is also possible that the lower 1/2 of the missing rectifies bridge is implemented in the control function of the FET's.

    If I remember correctly, if the FET's are turned on during the negative cycle of the respective legs from the "magneto", then the device acts just like a full wave rectifier but without regulation. As the FET "ON" times are extended into the positive portion of the magneto outputs, there is a reduction of the output voltage because now a portion of the positive portion of the waveform is also being shunted to ground.

    This works because there is a much smarter controller/logic in the R/R (see "Cont") to switch the FET's in sync with the magneto waveforms. This device is probably so much more efficient to hardly dissipates any power and you can hang it right off the battery eliminating the need for a sense wire.


    Best R/R on the market today is the Shindengen FH012AA used on the late (06+) Yamaha FJR, R1 among others
    It is a MOSFET controlled device rather than the crude SCR type and a 50A rated device.
    MUCH better voltage regulation and runs cooler too.
    http://forum.svrider.com/showthread.php?p=1326017

    I just found on on Ebay for about $75 delivered (including CA sales tax)

    More:

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