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    Can you tell what's wrong from my sparkplugs?

    They are dry, seem to burn well.
    I know sparks say alot but I haven't nailed that down yet, maybe somebody on here will know just by looking? And these were new sparks, this happened with the ones before aswell. I cleaned these off and this happened again, after the new plug caps.
    Ian

    1982 GS650GLZ
    1982 XS650

    #2
    received_705608713657766.jpg


    Here's the photo
    Ian

    1982 GS650GLZ
    1982 XS650

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      #3
      It would help to know which plug goes with which cylinder and what the last thing you did was - idle, open throttle, etc. However, the second from the left there looks to be a bit on the rich side
      Cowboy Up or Quit. - Run Free Lou and Rest in Peace

      1981 GS550T - My First
      1981 GS550L - My Eldest Daughter's - Now Sold
      2007 GSF1250SA Bandit - My touring bike

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        #4
        Last thing was an idle today before this test, it goes 1 to 4 from left to right.

        They are all using the same size jets, could an old and stiff vacuum line be the cause for that richness on cylinder 2? It does slide on and off really easy making me question its sealing.


        Do they look to have a strong burn? My problem is I thought spark plug reactors get almost white, they do all operate..gonna be handy to just check the sparks strength, by sight obviously.
        Ian

        1982 GS650GLZ
        1982 XS650

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          #5
          You can't judge the mixture from idling
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            #6
            Two things; the mixture looks rich, although as Big T says you can't judge much the way you tested, and second you are using (questionable) Autolite plugs. The stock plugs are NGK D8EA plugs and according to sparkplug - crossreference.com there is no matching Autolite with a ***64 on the end.

            Ed

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              #7
              Get the ngk d8ea spark plugs .....about $10 for set of four delivered....forget auto light and champion plugs on these critters.
              #2 rich? Good time to check petcock
              1981 gs650L

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                #8
                What the crap they were called a matching fit darnit, I do have the ngk ones but I'll have to scope around for them, and clean them up. I know matching fit doesnt always mean just that but I thought with sparkplugs it should

                As for the petcock, it was bought new but that obviously doesn't mean it was in complete working order. The only thing that I've noticed that may be odd is when i take the tank off, and if I slosh the tank back and forth, a little stream of gas will come out but it stops short after like it was just some sitting in the petcock, but I could be wrong.
                Ian

                1982 GS650GLZ
                1982 XS650

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                  #9
                  New plugs are in and bike does run better and has no flatspots anymore at all, I haven't looked at the plugs yet because engine is still pretty warm and I've been told that it's bad to pull them out when the engine is still warm. If I'm wrong about that please say so!

                  I'll say I always have to mess with the idle screw its a bit wonky and everytime I start the bike up it likes to throw some fuel out the emergency exits of the carbs but doesnt continue after the startup. Both exits dont have lines and are facing down towards the intakes having the fuel land ontop the transmission casing right of the starter case, hazard! I'm gonna get that sorted.

                  As for the petcock it's been tested multiple times and it always has a little bit of fuel come out at first but doesnt seem to have anything passing through from the tank it's always completely blocked so if it's not supposed to have a single drop come out after the bike being shut off and I'm wrong about it being okay let me know. If theres any possibility/ies that the vacuum line can affect the passage of fuel to the carbs also let me know! Lol.
                  Last edited by timebombprod; 12-28-2020, 10:17 PM.
                  Ian

                  1982 GS650GLZ
                  1982 XS650

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                    #10
                    Since fuel is overflowing out of the carbs and onto the back side of the engine, looking at the plugs trying to judge running condition is meaningless.
                    Ed

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                      #11
                      What do I check for that issue?

                      Here's the new spark pic anyways going 1 to 4 from left to right

                      received_3568519649900987.jpg
                      Ian

                      1982 GS650GLZ
                      1982 XS650

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                        #12
                        You could properly disassemble and clean the carbs following Ed’s procedures making sure to replace all the orings to start
                        Cowboy Up or Quit. - Run Free Lou and Rest in Peace

                        1981 GS550T - My First
                        1981 GS550L - My Eldest Daughter's - Now Sold
                        2007 GSF1250SA Bandit - My touring bike

                        Sit tall in the saddle Hold your head up high
                        Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky and live like you ain't afraid to die
                        and don't be scared, just enjoy your ride - Chris Ledoux, "The Ride"

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by cowboyup3371 View Post
                          You could properly disassemble and clean the carbs following Ed’s procedures making sure to replace all the orings to start
                          Install new Mikuni branded float valves too.
                          Ed

                          To measure is to know.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by timebombprod View Post
                            What do I check for that issue?

                            Here's the new spark pic anyways going 1 to 4 from left to right

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                            You can't just pull your plugs and get any kind of suitable info about jetting. Google or search for a plug chop. I found this one first.

                            http://braigasen.com/howtoread.htm Bear in mind, this site is geared towards 2 stroke bikes, but the concept is the same.

                            Plugtip2.jpg
                            Paul


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                              #15
                              Are you ready for a smart azz remark? Screw a different bike to those plugs & they will be fine, no wait those are Autolites, probably won't be right no matter what bike is screwed to them...
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