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    Default How near are we to the end of ICE motorcycles?

    I just read that Yamaha has been really busy designing electric motors, they now have one that produces 475hp that'll likely be sold to auto manufacturers, far too much for motorcycle but it's not a problem to scale that down. The only issue I see preventing ICE extinction is battery range and the big four Japanese producers have come to an agreement to share a common battery design, working together they'll solve that. It's only a matter of time now I expect it'll come before the end of the decade.

    The major players in the auto industry will hard into the switch to ev by 2025.
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    The range problem will be much harder to solve for bikes than it is for cars, because bike are more sensitive to weight gains and because, adjusted for vehicle weight, bikes get atrocious mileage.

    An example, the Chevy Bolt is a smallish car. If it was gas powered, it would hold 14-15 gallons of fuel, weighing about 100lbs. The battery pack in it weighs 960lbs. So basically 10 times the "fuel" weight to get similar range. Typical fuel weight on an ICE bike is 30lbs. So we would have to carry an additional 270lbs of battery weight for similar range. The 270lbs is a much bigger problem on a bike compared to 900 extra for the car.
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    Dunno. The Zero SR weighs under 500 pounds and has a 220 mile range.
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    Power to weight issue, weight isn't a big issue when the EVs can produce massive amounts of torque and hp.

    I would think (maybe I'm being optimistic) that engineering capability of the big four will overcome the range issue relatively quickly.
    Urban commuter bikes with 100k-200m range would seem easy enough, go to work and back, pick up groceries, plug in at night. The Mrs could ride to work for an entire week without charging.

    Distance touring and day trips are the only challenge. I'm a day tripper, give me 200mile range with a 15 minute quick charge and I'm good, that's no different than a gas fill-up with a coffee/donut break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GS1150Pilot View Post
    Dunno. The Zero SR weighs under 500 pounds and has a 220 mile range.
    Claimed or real world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichDesmond View Post
    Claimed or real world?
    You decide.

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    I ain't buying no electric motorcycle. I want lightweight, reasonable price, and low maintenance (long term.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS1150Pilot View Post
    charge time is too long for a day trip, the range isn't there and the price is too high.
    I see one regularly where I go for coffee so someone is using it as a commuter but for my 200-400 day trips it's not ready.

    But I do believe it's just a matter of time before all those issues are worked out.
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