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    #46
    Originally posted by Rich82GS750TZ View Post
    Thanks. We’re being as supportive as we know how. But my wife and I are the ones who forced him to be taken away, by force. He’s bitter and angry at us for it, and we accept that. We hated doing it, but we know we did the right thing and have to live with it. But there’s a high level of distrust there. We know that the friends he’s been hanging with the most have had their own issues and still deal with various forms of mental illness, courses of therapy, medications. So we believe that he’s finding common ground with friends his age. He’s with a friend right now who’s been through a lot of physical, mental and emotional problems in his own 20 years; A physical handicap giving him a permanent limp, depression, anxiety, and parents unaccepting of his homosexuality (he lives with grandparents when not at college). We don’t know everything they talk about, but he’s always happy, and not a drug-high happy, when comes home from there.
    You and your wife are clearly very good and responsible parents. You have very likely saved his life and have absolutely removed him from a culture that drove his torment.
    Druggies are no different than barstool jockeys they seek out their own misery in people who share it.
    I quit alcohol 2 yrs ago NYE cold turkey and guess what none of my "friends" respected me for it or wanted me around anymore. It is a hollow degenerative sharing and rationalizing they seek and not the type of friendship that allows a person to grow.

    Please be aware that the euphoria, just the drug free from of it in bipolar is intensely rewarding. Many people achieve a great many goals not the least of which may be the intensity that assisted your sons musical talent. When thats taken away they are quite understandably upset. Of the BPD people I have known though few have been of the type who have euphoria to the point of a break with reality. They all say they miss the highs but not the lows.

    Its also a cruel thing to say but thank god its not schizophrenia.
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      #47
      Originally posted by Cipher View Post

      Please be aware that the euphoria, just the drug free from of it in bipolar is intensely rewarding. Many people achieve a great many goals not the least of which may be the intensity that assisted your sons musical talent. When thats taken away they are quite understandably upset. Of the BPD people I have known though few have been of the type who have euphoria to the point of a break with reality. They all say they miss the highs but not the lows.
      This is a cool subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jouissance
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        #48
        i thought it best to delete my posts this morning. Thanks for comments from you guys that sat through that rant. I woke up at 1:30 and haven't been able to rest yet. Long night gave me plenty of time to pour out my heart here, maybe a bit too much actually.

        Rich, we have a lot in common. Thanks for sharing all that you did. My wife is on quetiapine, lamotrigene and lithium. Bipolar type 2 is her dignosis. What a roller coaster. Worse for her than me, but same ride. I can get off though...

        Gonna have a cold beer and watch the moon for a while.

        Cheers!
        Roger

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        2003 FJR 1300A
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          #49
          Roger, hope you're doing OK, and I hope venting here helped a bit, even though you had to delete it. Writing letters you'll never send can be a great way to process.

          And Rich, thanks for sharing. Again, I hope sharing helps a little.

          I used to work in the mental health field, and I've seen what mental illness can do to even the most supportive families. The pandemic has made managing this or any other medical issue incredibly more difficult.



          My wife and I have been extraordinarily fortunate throughout the pandemic.

          There have been mental health consequences, but I suppose we're quite privileged in that the worst are from antivaxxer relatives in my wife's family. Some were already known morons, so not all that surprising, but there are some close relations with children that we never would have predicted would turn into brainless dolts like this.

          They have had and even spread COVID-19 to others (fortunately all recovered), but they still refuse to even consider getting vaccinated or to take the slightest safety or preventative measures. Their "reasoning" is the usual inchoate paranoid mishmash, and the topic is closed.

          And the above describes millions of families, probably every family. These familial splits are going to reverberate for generations.
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            #50
            Originally posted by bwringer View Post
            Roger, hope you're doing OK, and I hope venting here helped a bit, even though you had to delete it. Writing letters you'll never send can be a great way to process.

            And Rich, thanks for sharing. Again, I hope sharing helps a little.

            I used to work in the mental health field, and I've seen what mental illness can do to even the most supportive families. The pandemic has made managing this or any other medical issue incredibly more difficult.



            My wife and I have been extraordinarily fortunate throughout the pandemic.

            There have been mental health consequences, but I suppose we're quite privileged in that the worst are from antivaxxer relatives in my wife's family. Some were already known morons, so not all that surprising, but there are some close relations with children that we never would have predicted would turn into brainless dolts like this.

            They have had and even spread COVID-19 to others (fortunately all recovered), but they still refuse to even consider getting vaccinated or to take the slightest safety or preventative measures. Their "reasoning" is the usual inchoate paranoid mishmash, and the topic is closed.

            And the above describes millions of families, probably every family. These familial splits are going to reverberate for generations.
            My brother in law in Ontario is anti-vax....he's an idiot and I already knew that. But I don't know anyone else that is anti vax....no one.
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              #51
              Originally posted by mars11
              nowadays covid is the big thread that cause unemployment and other money plroblems, recently i found this intersting article about how to start and run your own business in this tough time, i would like to share https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/25/b...d-or-sell.html
              It never ends.....
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