Short video and description on "counter-steering"

[Guest]

Everyone adjusts to counter steering in learning to ride without thinking about it. I watched a video a few years ago of a guy that with the addition of some linkage to the handle bars on a bicycle, reversed the steering. When the bars were turned left, the front wheel turned right. At first try, he couldn't ride it, but after a little practice, it became habit to control and he could ride it perfectly. It's something like the tiller on sailboat. Push the tiller right and the bow goes left. I never had a problem with that. Something I found difficult was coasting down a ramp or hill backwards on a bicycle. lol Or, try crossing your arms and putting left hand on right grip and right hand on left grip. That will tell you exactly how counter steering works. heh

Sounds like you came home with lots of bumps, scrapes, and bruises as a kid.

[TxGSrider]

I believe in the book "Total Control" by Lee Parks he recommends deliberately pushing only instead of pushing with one hand and pulling with the other (like allot of people do without realizing it).

[Guest]

It must bae instinctvie. The rider was countersteering until he saw the truck.

Exactly. As soon as he saw the truck, he panicked and locked the rear brake, then it was all over.
You can see this at regular speed, but it is very easy to see this if you slow the video down to .25 speed.

This had absolutely nothing to do with countersteering.

[Guest]

After slowing the clip at ..25 x normal speed, the rear jerking does look exactly like the rear beginning to slide out.

He responded like an inexperienced rider not only in over-braking, but it setting lines through blind corners that push him to near to on-coming traffic. Not knowing about counterr-steering wasn't his problem. It was riding too aggressively for his skill level.

[Guest]

After slowing the clip at ..25 x normal speed, the rear jerking does look exactly like the rear beginning to slide out.

He responded like an inexperienced rider not only in over-braking, but it setting lines through blind corners that push him to near to on-coming traffic. Not knowing about counterr-steering wasn't his problem. It was riding too aggressively for his skill level.

Yup.

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[zuluwiz]

I have always been amazed by how many riders deny that counter-steering works. Obviously they are using it, but without realizing it. If you ask them about it, they will claim it's impossible. It's not impossible, just counter-intuitive.

[rphillips]

The amazing ones are ie. Deuce, seasoned riders who never realized it. I wonder if nobody had told me, if I'd ever figured it out on my own. Like someone else said, my wife took one of those Motorcycle riding classes & she said counter steering was never mentioned. The course got her her license & a discount on insurance. Maybe I expected too much, but it was amazing what she didn't know when she completed it. Also, when I first learned about it, I played with it a lot, counter steer seems to me to start at just under 20 mph.

[93Bandit]

The amazing ones are ie. Deuce, seasoned riders who never realized it. I wonder if nobody had told me, if I'd ever figured it out on my own. Like someone else said, my wife took one of those Motorcycle riding classes & she said counter steering was never mentioned. The course got her her license & a discount on insurance. Maybe I expected too much, but it was amazing what she didn't know when she completed it. Also, when I first learned about it, I played with it a lot, counter steer seems to me to start at just under 20 mph.

I bet you would have figured it out even if you were never told about it. If you ever rode a bicycle as a kid, especially down long hills, you had to counter steer when coming into a turn. I did it all the time as a kid, however I didn't "know" I was doing it.

When I took my motorcycle course, I had a very good instructor. He was excellent at explaining and demonstrating, and made it a point to mention "push left turn left, push right turn right" and ensure everyone understood.

[Guest]

I prefer to think of this as "push steering" as in -- you push the handlebar in the direction you want to go. That way I'm not trying to make opposite associations in my head when I need to immediately swerve or turn.

The key thing that helped my understanding for push steering is: A motorcycle tire is rounded on its sides, and by leaning the bike, the tire now makes contact with the ground in a curved line. When we push steer, we initiate the bike to go into this leaning position.

Still, I had to see this in action, and when I watched this segment, I understood that: yes, the bike initially turns in the direction you turn the wheel, and it also causes the bike to tip in the opposite direction: https://youtu.be/_O0aEN-fN00?t=820

-Hamcake

[Guest]

Poor guy. He looked like an inexperienced rider who wanted his first lesson to be hauling ass on twisty roads. All he had to do to dodge the truck was stay in his very roomy lane. Wait till he learns about deer.

[Grimly]

Countersteering is great, but ffs don't grab a handful of brake in a corner - which is what he did, the donkey.