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    Any LEOs or DMV people here

    So back in April i gave an old Sienna van to a guy i know for free. Even wrote GIFT in the price area. Took it off my policy and it was removed on May2. Today i get a letter from the traffic camera guys with the picture of the van WITH my old plate on it. Told him to throw the plate away soon as he transfers title and has his own plate. So it was never taken out of my name and whoever was driving didn't have it insured. Tag came back to me so Oklahoma issued me a 190 dollar ticket for operating an uninsured motor vehicle.
    So I'm thinking make a report and have the police follow up but how do i get exonerated from this ticket, fine and no points or gigs on my driving record?? Try to do a guy a helping hand and get done dirty. Im less than pleased with him.
    MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
    1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

    NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


    I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.
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    #2
    I'm not an expert on DMV rules around the nation, but typically, when a vehicle is sold, the seller must document such sale as the registered owner. A release of liability is then in effect. At that point, even if the new buyer jacks around with the title and registration, it's not the previous owners problem.
    Ed

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      #3
      I signed and dated the title over to him. As i believe it that releases me from ownership. I didnt use a bill of sale because a title is a legal bill of sale. I dont want to have to resort to police involvement but i sure as hockey sticks am not taking any ticket hit for it either.
      MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
      1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

      NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


      I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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        #4
        In New York State, at least, you would accrue zero points or penalties against your license because the photo doesn't prove who was driving at the time of the violation. As the owner, you would be responsible for the fines.

        I've received more than one photograph of my ass on the bike in the mail, as well some of my car committing a violation. I've always been more than happy to send a check, as there were no demerits against my license, which would not have been the case if an officer, rather than a camera, had cited me.

        However, after a long period of neglecting to pay (years, I believe), they would eventually take action against your license as they have no other recourse. And after enough times with no license, well, then you get a ride in the backseat with the bracelets on.

        At least that's how it goes in the Empire State.
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          #5
          Originally posted by chuck hahn View Post
          I signed and dated the title over to him. As i believe it that releases me from ownership. I didnt use a bill of sale because a title is a legal bill of sale. I dont want to have to resort to police involvement but i sure as hockey sticks am not taking any ticket hit for it either.
          Google suggests that Oklahoma has a form "773 Notice of Transfer of Ownership" document that you are supposed to fill out, and file with the state when a vehicle is sold. It's not strictly mandatory, but it protects you in instances like this.
          Ed

          To measure is to know.

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            #6
            He acknowledged the deal in texts last night.. Told him we need to go to the courthouse to straighten it out. This is his one and only chance to make it right. He fails or tries to prolong it or ghosts me then im calling the cops and filing a report so i can have documentation it wasnt my car at the time. Also my insurance lady is preparing forms from when i had her remove it from my policy. Either way hes gonna get it put on him.
            And yes Ed it isnt mandated. All the years ive known him and loaned money and so forth he has always been good so i wasnt worried. Shame on me for trusting.. lesson learned
            Last edited by chuck hahn; 06-21-2025, 11:19 AM.
            MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
            1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

            NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


            I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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              #7
              I never sell a vehicle with a license plate on it.
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                #8
                Earl. Plates dont travel or get transferred to another vehicle here. That way the states assured of taking more money. Ilet him use the plate so he could drive it home because ive known him for ears and trusted he would do the right thing. That ship has now sailed. Ill give him till Wednesday to take responsibility or ill get the police involved.
                MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nessism View Post

                  Google suggests that Oklahoma has a form "773 Notice of Transfer of Ownership" document that you are supposed to fill out, and file with the state when a vehicle is sold. It's not strictly mandatory, but it protects you in instances like this.
                  Idk the form number, but yes, that. Costs $10 to file that at the tag agency. That might be enough, don't know. And right, the plates don't go with the vehicles any more, so you should have kept it. I'm meddling a little now, but has he ever helped you? All your examples are the other way 'round.

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                    #10
                    Yes hes helped me many times too. NORMALLY if it was joe blow getting it i WOULD HAE taken the plate. Thats my entire point here guys!!! We have never had a problem for years and i was cutting him some slack by allowing him to drive home with the plate. Obviously me trusting he would do the title and get a plate ( legally ) for it was a huge mistake. Now i gotta deal with this bullcrap to not get points or it put on my driving record. TOTAL crap.
                    MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                    1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                    NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                    I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                      #11
                      Yeah, file that form Chuck, you know, with the date and all that he took it. That might cover it for you.

                      I left a PikePass thing on one time (that the buyer used), but got out of that somehow. Can't remember the details.

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                        #12
                        Ill go to the tag agency tomorrow and look into it. I dont remember the exact date but it was the end of April. I took it off my policy on May 2nd which was shortly after he took the car.
                        MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                        1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                        NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                        I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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