Honda master cyl. rebuild. no OEM parts

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  • rphillips
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    • Jun 2005
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    • Norene TN

    #1

    Honda master cyl. rebuild. no OEM parts

    Looking for parts to rebuild a buddy's Honda CB1100F rear master cyl. Very few of the parts are still available OEM. Anyone had good luck with a particular brand aftermarket M/C rebuild kit. "All Balls Bearings co". is out. I ordered a kit from them for a GS1100E, & it had appx. 1/2 correct parts & 1/2 incorrect parts. Thanks for any help.
    1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100
  • chuck hahn
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    • May 2009
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    • Norman, Oklahoma

    #2
    what year is it...the 83 in your signature?
    MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
    1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

    NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


    I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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    • chuck hahn
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      • May 2009
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      #3
      Several NOS and K&L on ebay..K&L are good parts.


      MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
      1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

      NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


      I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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      • Nessism
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        • Mar 2006
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        #4
        K&L = Garbage.
        Ed

        To measure is to know.

        Mikuni O-ring Kits For Sale...https://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...ts#post1703182

        Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

        Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf

        KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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        • chuck hahn
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          #5
          I dont have problem Ed,,care to expound?
          MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
          1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

          NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


          I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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          • steve murdoch
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            • May 2004
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            • St. Catharines, On.

            #6
            I have had good luck with the K&L kits from George.
            2@ \'78 GS1000

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            • Nessism
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              • Mar 2006
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              #7
              K&L master cylinder kit where the zinc piston plunger was out of round and scraping the master bore. I had to true it up in a lathe because Z1 told me to pound sand when I told them about the problem.

              K&L caliper piston seals, two different model calipers, where the fit to the piston was too tight and wouldn't allow the piston to move close enough to the disc resulting in a spongy lever feel.

              K&L float needles with weak springs which compress under the weight of the float.

              K&L valve shims which where not hardened properly and were not flat. Z1 stop selling them for about a year until K&L fixed the problem...but what about all the crap shims out in people's engines and toolboxes?
              Ed

              To measure is to know.

              Mikuni O-ring Kits For Sale...https://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...ts#post1703182

              Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

              Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf

              KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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              • rphillips
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                • Jun 2005
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                • Norene TN

                #8
                Na, I've still got mine. I've been lucky, other than pads & fluid flush every now & then my brakes have been great. We rebuilt his rear caliper a couple of yrs. ago, now it's the rear master. Thank ya'll for the input, Now I'll let him make the decision N"Old"S, or newer aftermarket. Oh yeah, "83" was the only yr. for the U.S. CB1100F's.
                1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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                • steve murdoch
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                  • May 2004
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                  • St. Catharines, On.

                  #9
                  My recommendation for K&L was only for the master cylinder rebuild kits.
                  Have not used the other products that Ed mentioned.
                  2@ \'78 GS1000

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                  • rphillips
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                    • Jun 2005
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                    #10
                    He decided on the K&L kit. All correct parts, the seal (cup) was not on the piston. Big pain in the butt getting the seal on the piston correctly, lip kept folding under instead of sliding on flush against the shaft, took several tries but finally went correctly. One odd thing, we never found a "stop" for the pedal anywhere. When the pedal comes back up, it stops only when the spring on the piston slams the piston assembly against the snap ring that holds it all together. Hope we didn't miss something.
                    1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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