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  • Steve
    GS Whisperer
    • Jun 2005
    • 35925
    • southwest oHIo
    #31
    Originally posted by chuck hahn
    ED...Steve..I admittingly, have not pulled cylinders while in the frame..to which I did post. I have read that some have done it and its a tight squeeze. If my post is incorrect I accept the inaccuracy. I have only done it with the engine out of the frame.

    Just for my education..do you need to pull the monts and lower the engine in the cradle to gin room or just leave bolted in?

    As i said, i have only done it on engines out of the frame.
    Actually, pulling the head is harder than the cylinders.

    Once the head is removed, there is a LOT of room to lift the cylinders.

    '81 850G





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      • chuck hahn
        Forum LongTimer
        Past Site Supporter
        • May 2009
        • 25918
        • Norman, Oklahoma
        #32
        Thats cool..I just have been taking for granted that it was easier to just take the engine out and be done wth it..Guess on the bench its easier to spin around and such though.

        Ive read that guys have done the in frame way but looking at the head clearance and the frame it looks pretty close. Will give it a shot next time I do an upper end freshening.

        Good pics of the process to. Who said i cant be taught anything? LMAO at myself , of course.
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          • 1_v8_merc
            #33
            I use marvel mystery oil.

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              • Steve
                GS Whisperer
                • Jun 2005
                • 35925
                • southwest oHIo
                #34
                Actually, Chuck, the tightest part is getting the valve cover off. Then you remove the carbs and exhaust, then the tensioner and cam chain. Remove the cams (be sure to loop something through the chain so you don't lose it down the 'black hole'). When you remove the head, you will see that there is a bit more clearance than there was with the valve cover. When you finally get to the cylinders, you will see there is even more room to lift them off.

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                mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
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                Siblings and Spouses
                Mom's first ride
                Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
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                  • chuck hahn
                    Forum LongTimer
                    Past Site Supporter
                    • May 2009
                    • 25918
                    • Norman, Oklahoma
                    #35
                    I was already visioning that removal of the cams would be another space saver...thanks.
                    MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                    1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                    NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                    I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                      • Steve
                        GS Whisperer
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 35925
                        • southwest oHIo
                        #36
                        It's not a matter of saving space.

                        If you don't remove the cams, the only way you are going to remove the head is to cut the timing chain.

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                        mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                        hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                        #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                        #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
                        Family Portrait
                        Siblings and Spouses
                        Mom's first ride
                        Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
                        (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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                          • Nessism
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                            • Mar 2006
                            • 35790
                            • Torrance, CA
                            #37
                            Originally posted by Steve
                            Remove the cams (be sure to loop something through the chain so you don't lose it down the 'black hole').

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                            Actually Steve, it's very convenient to just drop the cam chain down the tunnel in the engine. Fish it out with a magnet stick, or when you pull the cylinder off it's right there.
                            Ed

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                              • sparki
                                #38
                                i just tie a length of wire/cable to the chain and let it fall too... never goes far and easy to fish out with the barrels off

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