Splitting the cases - case gasket? Gearbox troubleshooting, etc

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  • Chuck78
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    Past Site Supporter
    • Aug 2012
    • 3692
    • Columbus, Ohio

    #1

    Splitting the cases - case gasket? Gearbox troubleshooting, etc

    We swapped out a lower compression original 77 GS550 engine last year for an engine with like new compression. Now the newer engine is having shifting issues, gets stuck in first sometimes. The older one would get stuck in neutral sometimes.

    I'm going to rebuild the old one with an 81 GS650GZ top end to make 9.4:1 compression and 673cc's, but the gearbox issues need addressed. Any clue where to begin? Bent shift fork? I have read about some slots in the sides of the gears that are involved in shifting that get worn as well. Could it just be worn linkages?

    The bigger question I have is for gaskets. I may buy a complete 650 gasket set just to get the head gasket, as they are $120-150 seperately. As far as splitting the cases, I seemed to notice the crankcase fisches don't seem to show any sort of case gasket that goes between the two halves. Am I missing something here??? Just use RTV? Or is there a gasket? I'm comparing Boulevard Suzuki and the dreaded BikeBandit, no case gasket apparently. What's the deal?
    '77 GS750 920cc heavily modded
    '97 Kawasaki KDX220R rugged terrain ripper!
    '99 Kawasaki KDX220R​ rebuild in progress
    '79 GS425stock
    PROJECTS:
    '77 Suzuki PE250 woods racer
    '77 GS550 740cc major mods
    '77 GS400 489cc racer build
    '76 Rickman CR1000 GS1000/1100
    '78 GS1000C/1100
  • Agemax
    Forum Guru
    • Apr 2008
    • 8371
    • plymouth uk

    #2
    there is no gasket between the 2 crankcase halves. you need to use mating surface sealant. not silicone sealer
    1978 GS1085.

    Just remember, an opinion without 3.14 is just an onion!

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    • Baatfam
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      • Jul 2006
      • 18754
      • Knoxville, TN

      #3
      No gasket. Use a sealant like ThreeBond 1104 or 1211, Yamabond or Hondabond

      Trans: Depends what the problem is.
      Bob T. ~~ Play the GSR weekly photo game: Pic of Week Game
      '83 GS1100E ~ '24 Triumph Speed 400 ~ '01 TRIUMPH TT600 ~ '67 HONDA CUB

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      • Suzuki_Don

        #4
        Same as above, use the correct ThreeBond sealant.

        Also measure the distance between the forks and their respective grooves in each gear to check they are within spec. Also check the forks are not bent.

        Look for a low mileage transmission. I found one on ebay with only 9k on it and swapped the shafts and gears as a job lot.

        Read the factory manual and do all the checks it suggests. Don't miss anything.

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        • Nessism
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          • Mar 2006
          • 35790
          • Torrance, CA

          #5
          The transmissions are very robust. More likely the problem is a bent shift shaft or the selector mechanism is at fault somehow.

          ThreeBond 1194 is the stuff for the case halfs http://www.z1enterprises.com/ItemDet...item=TU53-0395
          It replaced 1104 in Threebond's lineup. Threebond makes all the various Suzukibond/Hondabond/Yamabond/Kawabond products.
          Last edited by Nessism; 05-24-2013, 07:16 AM.
          Ed

          To measure is to know.

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          Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

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          KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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          • Chuck78
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            Past Site Supporter
            • Aug 2012
            • 3692
            • Columbus, Ohio

            #6
            Good to know on the gearbox. I had read that there were some notches or something i the sides of some of the gears that get worn and cause shifting troubles, but I am not well versed as of yet with GS transmissions, so I figured I'd have to do a step by step inspection as covered in the Clymer's and Factory Service Manuals.
            '77 GS750 920cc heavily modded
            '97 Kawasaki KDX220R rugged terrain ripper!
            '99 Kawasaki KDX220R​ rebuild in progress
            '79 GS425stock
            PROJECTS:
            '77 Suzuki PE250 woods racer
            '77 GS550 740cc major mods
            '77 GS400 489cc racer build
            '76 Rickman CR1000 GS1000/1100
            '78 GS1000C/1100

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