Where to weld starter clutch to rotor?

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  • Carter Turk
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    • May 2002
    • 2282
    • Bellingham Washington

    #1

    Where to weld starter clutch to rotor?

    Hoping someone (Ray, Bellucci, Blower, Tripivot, etc) could explain where the welds need to be thanks. Trying to avoid future engine carnage. Would three tack welds outside of the bolt locations suffice?
    GS\'s since 1982: 55OMZ, 550ES, 750ET, (2) 1100ET\'s, 1100S, 1150ES. Current ride is an 83 Katana. Wifes bike is an 84 GS 1150ES
  • chuck hahn
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    • May 2009
    • 25918
    • Norman, Oklahoma

    #2
    What happens when a spring breaks and the dowels dont engage?? Gotta grind and hope you can get the bolts out to replace the springs. I wouldnt weld anything. Clean the holes and bolts with carb spray and blow dry with air..red loctite them in.
    MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
    1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

    NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


    I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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    • blowerbike
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      • Aug 2008
      • 7057
      • Ohio Closer to KY Than Cleveland

      #3
      shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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      • chuck hahn
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        • May 2009
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        #4
        Thats the first time on this forum I have EVER heard to weld the bolts in. Although I am a to the bone keep it stock guy, I do read the performance mods and articles.

        Where did you get this weld the bolts idea at???
        MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
        1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

        NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


        I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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        • blowerbike
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          • Aug 2008
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          #5
          pssssss.
          they weld the SC to the rotor...hehe
          i used to tack weld the bolts to keep them from backing out because certain people could break a rock.
          plus lot's of loctite on the taper.

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          • chuck hahn
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            • May 2009
            • 25918
            • Norman, Oklahoma

            #6
            Get those "tack" welds too deep and your gonna have problems removing the bolts. Too weak and its just worthless anyway...not even worth the consideration to do it is my opinion. But hey if it makes someone feel crafty and more secure then what the heck.
            MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
            1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

            NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


            I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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            • blowerbike
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              • Aug 2008
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              • Ohio Closer to KY Than Cleveland

              #7
              there are pictures posted on this site of the SC welded to the rotor flange.
              i think i will do a search in the performance area and report back...

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              • blowerbike
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                • Aug 2008
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                • Ohio Closer to KY Than Cleveland

                #8
                carter.....here......chuck it took a little time but i found one of the threads.

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                • Carter Turk
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                  • May 2002
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                  • Bellingham Washington

                  #9
                  Originally posted by blowerbike
                  carter.....here......chuck it took a little time but i found one of the threads.

                  http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...40#post2097840
                  Thanks Blower. Still got the pristine big taper from several months back?

                  Chuck, I don't see why the rollers, pins, & springs would be anymore difficult to remove welded or not.

                  The welds in Bellucci's photo look like they might interfere with where the rollers engage on the starter gear, but maybe not.
                  GS\'s since 1982: 55OMZ, 550ES, 750ET, (2) 1100ET\'s, 1100S, 1150ES. Current ride is an 83 Katana. Wifes bike is an 84 GS 1150ES

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                    #10
                    I have never welded a starter clutch together. I do replace the bolts with grade 8 alan head bolts and red lock tight them in. Never had a problem yet.

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                    • blowerbike
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                      • Aug 2008
                      • 7057
                      • Ohio Closer to KY Than Cleveland

                      #11
                      99% of the customers i had would damage there S/C assembly in one way or the other from poor riding habits.
                      they would not listen and continued to have problems and i continued to take there money

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                      • Carter Turk
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                        • May 2002
                        • 2282
                        • Bellingham Washington

                        #12
                        In previous posts about starter clutch woes, I recall someone mentioning (maybe you stretracer) that my taper was worn out causing the clutch to bind. That may have been my problem all along. I've used 12-9 allens and red for years and still snapped numerous bolts and elongated dowel pin holes. Now I have a new left end and would like to join the crowd who don't have SC problems.
                        GS\'s since 1982: 55OMZ, 550ES, 750ET, (2) 1100ET\'s, 1100S, 1150ES. Current ride is an 83 Katana. Wifes bike is an 84 GS 1150ES

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                        • rapidray
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                          • Oct 2006
                          • 8195
                          • So Cal

                          #13
                          I will see if I can dig one out today & show you where to weld it. Once you weld it the breakage STOPS!! You can still remove rollers & springs. Also, I enjoy the "restoration" people commenting on the things they have ZERO experience with! It is entertaining!! LOL!!
                          Ray.

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                          • rapidray
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                            • Oct 2006
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                            #14
                            I just looked at the photos of Bellucci"s & that is NOT where I weld them! I will see what I can come up with today.
                            Ray.

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                            • Carter Turk
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                              • May 2002
                              • 2282
                              • Bellingham Washington

                              #15
                              Thanks, Ray.

                              Looking forward to see how it's done.
                              GS\'s since 1982: 55OMZ, 550ES, 750ET, (2) 1100ET\'s, 1100S, 1150ES. Current ride is an 83 Katana. Wifes bike is an 84 GS 1150ES

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