cylinder base o-rings needed?

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  • exdirtbiker
    Forum Sage
    • Aug 2011
    • 1579
    • 2 miles from exit 89: Brick NJ

    #1

    cylinder base o-rings needed?

    I popped one of the "cylinder base o-rings" while cleaning the jugs.
    Seems like they don't do anything, as the top of the block is not round, so they don't even touch all the way around.
    I think I read 1 post somewhere that said "leave them off" but "search" has let me down.

    I'm cheap... but not that cheap... they're $3 each. But ... why are they there ?
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    1978 KZ1000C1 Police - GONE !
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  • tkent02
    Forum LongTimer
    Past Site Supporter
    • Jan 2006
    • 35571
    • Near South Park

    #2
    I'm leaving them off on the advice of an engine guy on here. Says he's been doing it forever.
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    Life is too short to ride an L.

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    • rapidray
      Forum Guru
      GSResource Superstar
      • Oct 2006
      • 8195
      • So Cal

      #3
      I have NEVER put them back in!
      Ray.

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      • exdirtbiker
        Forum Sage
        • Aug 2011
        • 1579
        • 2 miles from exit 89: Brick NJ

        #4
        Thank you !
        1980 GS1000G - The Beast - GOING... GOING... yup, it's gone. I'm bikeless !!! GAaaahh !!!
        1978 KZ1000C1 Police - GONE !
        1983 GPZ750, aka ZX750A1 - restored, fresh paint... Gave it back, it was a loaner !!!
        Check My Albums for some of the 30+ headaches I've dealt with

        I know -JUST- enough to make me REALLY dangerous !


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        • chuck hahn
          Forum LongTimer
          Past Site Supporter
          • May 2009
          • 25918
          • Norman, Oklahoma

          #5
          To answer your actual question of why they are there..................The basic intention for them is that the jugs will expand away from the cylinders a thousandth or so when the engine is hot. The head being bolted on keeps the cylinders still, but oil ( in their theory ) will seep up between sleeves and then jug casting itself..thus the sealing by use of the orings.
          MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
          1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

          NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


          I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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          • tkent02
            Forum LongTimer
            Past Site Supporter
            • Jan 2006
            • 35571
            • Near South Park

            #6
            Seems like the O rings would need to be pushed against something to seal at all, but it only contacts the base gasket with nothing under it at least in part of the circle... makes no sense to me. Not sure what a bit of oil seeping up behind the sleeve would hurt anyway.... Oh well I'm doing without them.
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            • chuck hahn
              Forum LongTimer
              Past Site Supporter
              • May 2009
              • 25918
              • Norman, Oklahoma

              #7
              Me neither ..but thats what they are supposedly there for. Least thats what was explained to me way back when i had the same questioning.
              MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
              1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

              NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


              I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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              • Brendan W
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                Past Site Supporter
                • Jul 2013
                • 4922
                • Wexford, Ireland

                #8
                I had to tap them in and was wondering why and came to pretty much the same idea about the block getting away from the sleeves. Maybe oil could burn up or something and stop the block coming back fully, in theory ?
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