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  • Glen
    Forum Apprentice
    • Apr 2009
    • 79
    • Rockaway, NJ

    #1

    Need opinion on valve condition please

    My '83 1100E runs very rich and I'm trying to track it down. I was wondering if it was valve seals, so I pulled all the valves. I'm not what these pictures mean, so I was hoping anyone with experience could tell me if this is normal wear and tear, or a problem? Thanks

    Intake (all 4 cylinders look like this)
    FullSizeRender 2.jpg
    1983 GS1100E
  • Glen
    Forum Apprentice
    • Apr 2009
    • 79
    • Rockaway, NJ

    #2
    Exhaust (all 4 cylinders look like this)
    FullSizeRender 5.jpg
    1983 GS1100E

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    • Glen
      Forum Apprentice
      • Apr 2009
      • 79
      • Rockaway, NJ

      #3
      Some of the valve seals
      FullSizeRender 8.jpg
      1983 GS1100E

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      • Glen
        Forum Apprentice
        • Apr 2009
        • 79
        • Rockaway, NJ

        #4
        Underside of head
        FullSizeRender 14.jpg
        1983 GS1100E

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        • rapidray
          Forum Guru
          GSResource Superstar
          • Oct 2006
          • 8195
          • So Cal

          #5
          Glen, clean all of the valves. The easiest way is a wire wheel on one side of a 6 inch bench grinder. Put the valves back in the guides & check for side play. If all is good you don't have to replace the guides & do a valve job. Clean the head, lap the valves, install new seals & run it. Call me at 714,356.784five if you have questions.
          Ray.

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          • bobgroger
            Forum Sage
            Past Site Supporter
            • Jun 2013
            • 2481
            • Enumclaw, WA

            #6
            The valve seals shown are totally shot. The carbon looks pretty oily. Like Ray says, clean it up, put on a set of GOOD seals, and give it a try.I don't know if bike valve stem seals come with the little condom that protects the seal from the keeper grooves, if it does use it...
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            09 Kaw C14 Rocket powered Barcalounger
            1983 GS1100e
            82\83 1100e Frankenbike
            1980 GS1260
            Previous 65 Suzuki 80 Scrambler, 76 KZ900, 02 GSF1200S, 81 GS1100e, 80 GS850G

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            • Glen
              Forum Apprentice
              • Apr 2009
              • 79
              • Rockaway, NJ

              #7
              Thanks guys! I will clean the valves and head, and get new seals. Appreciate the input
              1983 GS1100E

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              • GregT
                Forum Sage
                • Jul 2009
                • 3541
                • New Zealand

                #8
                Originally posted by bobgroger
                The valve seals shown are totally shot. The carbon looks pretty oily. Like Ray says, clean it up, put on a set of GOOD seals, and give it a try.I don't know if bike valve stem seals come with the little condom that protects the seal from the keeper grooves, if it does use it...

                Never seen those condoms with bike seals. Lube generously and only put the valves through once - when you're assembling it.
                If you pull them back out, you'll ruin the seal.

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                • rapidray
                  Forum Guru
                  GSResource Superstar
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 8195
                  • So Cal

                  #9
                  Originally posted by GregT
                  If you pull them back out, you'll ruin the seal.
                  Sorry but NOT true. I have valves in & out all the time on GS heads without issue.
                  Ray.

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                  • Glen
                    Forum Apprentice
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 79
                    • Rockaway, NJ

                    #10
                    Hi guys, any opinions please on seals made out of "viton"? I'm shopping around and found a complete set for $36, but no idea if this stuff is any good. Thanks!
                    1983 GS1100E

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                    • Glen
                      Forum Apprentice
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 79
                      • Rockaway, NJ

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Glen
                      Hi guys, any opinions please on seals made out of "viton"? I'm shopping around and found a complete set for $36, but no idea if this stuff is any good. Thanks!
                      Nevermind, I just searched this site and it looks like they are good. I see that rapidray uses them, that's good enough for me!
                      1983 GS1100E

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                      • Glen
                        Forum Apprentice
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 79
                        • Rockaway, NJ

                        #12
                        Hi guys, next question if you don't mind. I'm looking for the better tool to clean the valve seats. One is the dremel wirebrush
                        Dremel Wire Brush.jpg
                        1983 GS1100E

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                        • Glen
                          Forum Apprentice
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 79
                          • Rockaway, NJ

                          #13
                          The other is the dremel abrasive wheel. I don't want to damage the valve seats, but the abrasive wheel seems to work much better. Any opinion on what to use? Thanks
                          Dremel Abrasive Wheel.jpg
                          1983 GS1100E

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                          • rapidray
                            Forum Guru
                            GSResource Superstar
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 8195
                            • So Cal

                            #14
                            A spray bottle of Simple Green, spray it on & let it soak for awhile, 30-60 minutes. Then take a small hand held stainless steel wire brush to it. Repeat if necessary.
                            Ray.

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                            • Glen
                              Forum Apprentice
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 79
                              • Rockaway, NJ

                              #15
                              Originally posted by rapidray
                              A spray bottle of Simple Green, spray it on & let it soak for awhile, 30-60 minutes. Then take a small hand held stainless steel wire brush to it. Repeat if necessary.
                              Ray.
                              Thanks Ray!
                              1983 GS1100E

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