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  • ullert
    • Feb 2026

    #1

    Why is my spark plug all black and sooty?



    This is the spark plug to the #2 cylinder when I pull it from while it's running in idle up to maybe 3/4 throttle. If I pull the plug running at WOT the plug looks OK.

    This cylinder has given me problems since I bought the bike. Even now that the essential maintenance is done (carb synch, adjustment to spec and valve clearance) the plug is black
    and when cold ambient or raining the cylinder wont fire. The bike runs better than ever but you feel something is not right.

    Should I do a compression test? might it be bad piston rings or burnt valves? could it just be a bad spark plug wire?

    Hoping to learn something from this. Thanks.
  • hampshirehog
    Forum LongTimer
    Past Site Supporter
    • Oct 2007
    • 12675
    • Hampshire. UK

    #2
    Originally posted by ullert
    https://postimg.org/image/hfvohs121/

    This is the spark plug to the #2 cylinder when I pull it from while it's running in idle up to maybe 3/4 throttle. If I pull the plug running at WOT the plug looks OK.

    This cylinder has given me problems since I bought the bike. Even now that the essential maintenance is done (carb synch, adjustment to spec and valve clearance) the plug is black
    and when cold ambient or raining the cylinder wont fire. The bike runs better than ever but you feel something is not right.

    Should I do a compression test? might it be bad piston rings or burnt valves? could it just be a bad spark plug wire?

    Hoping to learn something from this. Thanks.
    What bike and what year?
    79 GS1000S
    79 GS1000S (another one)
    80 GSX750
    80 GS550
    80 CB650 cafe racer
    75 PC50 - the one with OHV and pedals...
    75 TS100 - being ridden (suicidally) by my father

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    • Steve
      GS Whisperer
      • Jun 2005
      • 35925
      • southwest oHIo

      #3
      Originally posted by hampshirehog
      What bike and what year?
      Looking at his other post, it's an '80 or '81 2-valve four-cylinder that is not an 850.

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      #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
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      • Guest

        #4
        Originally posted by ullert
        This is the spark plug to the #2 cylinder when I pull it from while it's running in idle up to maybe 3/4 throttle. If I pull the plug running at WOT the plug looks OK.
        Sounds like the vacuum diaphragm in your petcock is leaking.


        Mark

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        • jprice90

          #5
          Are those DR8ES plugs?

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          • Steve
            GS Whisperer
            • Jun 2005
            • 35925
            • southwest oHIo

            #6
            Originally posted by jprice90
            Are those DR8ES plugs?
            Yeah, I guess that would narrow it down to a 650, wouldn't it?

            Now the question is "G, GL or E?"

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            mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
            hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
            #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
            #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
            Family Portrait
            Siblings and Spouses
            Mom's first ride
            Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
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            • JJ

              #7
              Originally posted by jprice90
              Are those DR8ES plugs?
              DR8ES-L, to be exact.

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              • Bortasqu

                #8
                If only the original thread creator said which bike he has.

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                • ullert

                  #9
                  Gs500l 1981

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                  • ullert

                    #10
                    Originally posted by JJ
                    DR8ES-L, to be exact.
                    Yes, they are

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                    • tkent02
                      Forum LongTimer
                      Past Site Supporter
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 35571
                      • Near South Park

                      #11
                      GS500 sold in europe is our GS650, only made smaller for some reason.

                      Too bad about the L thing.
                      http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...tatesMap-1.jpg

                      Life is too short to ride an L.

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                      • JTGS850GL
                        Forum Guru
                        Past Site Supporter
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 9735
                        • GA

                        #12
                        2nd the possibility of a leaking petcock vacuum diaphragm. Check the vacuum line for the smell of gas. Replace the petcock if so. DON'T try to rebuild. Very poor success rate on those rebuild kits.
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                        1980 GS1000GT (Daily rider with a 1983 1100G engine)
                        1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
                        1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

                        Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

                        JTGS850GL aka Julius

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                        • JJ

                          #13
                          I agree that the probability of a leaking petcock diaphragm is very high.

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                          • ullert

                            #14
                            Originally posted by JJ
                            I agree that the probability of a leaking petcock diaphragm is very high.
                            Why would that affect only one cylinder?

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                            • Steve
                              GS Whisperer
                              • Jun 2005
                              • 35925
                              • southwest oHIo

                              #15
                              Because the vacuum line that pulls the petcock open only goes to #2 cylinder.

                              If the diaphragm leaks, the gas that makes it through the leak goes directly to the intake of #2, after the throttle butterfly, so it is subjected to full engine vacuum all the time.

                              .
                              sigpic
                              mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                              hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                              #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                              #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
                              Family Portrait
                              Siblings and Spouses
                              Mom's first ride
                              Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
                              (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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