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    #46
    I think all bolts etc torqued correctly mow.
    Head was as perfect torque.Casings and sump too.
    Set it to tdc awaiting mewtronics gear and
    timing chain was in correct position. (the guy new
    what he was doing for sure).
    Starter motor in.

    awaiting, cam tensioner gasket , cam cover gasket
    and front sprocket before I put engine back in.

    Managed to get it out myself so should get it back
    in. have one of those cheapo wind up lifts so
    can get engine at same level and tug it over.

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    UKJULES
    ---------------------------------
    Owner of following bikes:
    1980 Suzuki GS550ET
    1977 Yamaha RD 250D
    1982 Kawasaki GPZ 750 R1
    1980 Suzuki GSX 250E

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      #47
      Parts arrived.
      cam cover gasket (cheapo athena)
      this goes on tomorrow but with a smear
      of 3 bond.

      q) as using the cheapo gasket when using
      3 bond is it a smear on both sides ?
      very thin layers ?

      - expect the new engine test towards end of week.
      UKJULES
      ---------------------------------
      Owner of following bikes:
      1980 Suzuki GS550ET
      1977 Yamaha RD 250D
      1982 Kawasaki GPZ 750 R1
      1980 Suzuki GSX 250E

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        #48
        I would hold off on the 3bond for the cam gasket. Many of us just apply a little grease.
        Gives a decent chance that it will be usable a second time with no grief opening up.
        97 R1100R
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          #49
          I see. 3 bond is when applied not
          helpful if you wanna take cover off and
          use gasket again ?
          UKJULES
          ---------------------------------
          Owner of following bikes:
          1980 Suzuki GS550ET
          1977 Yamaha RD 250D
          1982 Kawasaki GPZ 750 R1
          1980 Suzuki GSX 250E

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            #50
            Athena gaskets suck. You can use sealer on the cover but good luck trying to get it back off to do valve adjusts.
            Ed

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              #51
              I had the choice of cheap athena or expensive
              from Robertson foundry (suzuki dealers).
              I have taken a risk as the faces look in
              such perfect condition and due to being the poorest
              of forum members.
              - bit of grease first attempt as I have to
              re torque head

              (I used athena on old engine in question
              with wellseal in places) on base gasket up.
              UKJULES
              ---------------------------------
              Owner of following bikes:
              1980 Suzuki GS550ET
              1977 Yamaha RD 250D
              1982 Kawasaki GPZ 750 R1
              1980 Suzuki GSX 250E

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                #52
                Update and valve clearances data:

                I attach the valve clearance data.
                tolerances are : 0.03-0.08 inlet and exhaust

                I am gonna rummage through my shim stock
                and get my maths head on but could I leave it as is ?
                0.02mm out on 3 inlet and outlets and after a few heat cycles
                when torqing head and checking valves do it then
                if necessary?

                I hate doing the clearances with shims.

                This is my current plan.
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                UKJULES
                ---------------------------------
                Owner of following bikes:
                1980 Suzuki GS550ET
                1977 Yamaha RD 250D
                1982 Kawasaki GPZ 750 R1
                1980 Suzuki GSX 250E

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                  #53
                  The ones that are 0.10 and 0.11, I'd leave as they are, as that's what I normally shoot for as a max to give a larger safety margin between checks.
                  You could leave No 4 as-is until your next scheduled shim check, as it's well within normal limits, but I'd be inclined to also bring that one into line with the others.
                  However, a couple of thousand miles might see things settle down, as you say.

                  That chart shows the PO was aiming for 10s, but fell on the last pair because he simply didn't have any more shims.
                  ---- Dave
                  79 GS850N - Might be a trike soon.
                  80 GS850T Single HIF38 S.U. SH775, Tow bar, Pantera II. Gnarly workhorse & daily driver.
                  79 XS650SE - Pragmatic Ratter - goes better than a manky old twin should.
                  92 XJ900F - Fairly Stock, for now.

                  Only a dog knows why a motorcyclist sticks his head out of a car window

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                    #54
                    I agree that the obsessional old engineer
                    mechanic chap did as you say.
                    The quality of work and every bolt torqued correctly gives
                    me enormous confidence this engine is basically brand new !

                    I await cam chain tensioner gasket only now.
                    Robertson's foundary 5£.

                    it will be started by the weekend.
                    I can barely control my excitement .

                    [then its pull the original engine to bits prob down to
                    split crankcase and see what butchery I have done to it.
                    That engine had done 72k with one new head.
                    the main issue with that one is the head stripped
                    bolt holes for exhaust and cam cover .
                    and I recall pots fine and head was skimmed but I
                    never changed rings. fun to come on that]
                    Last edited by ukjules; 11-18-2020, 09:34 AM.
                    UKJULES
                    ---------------------------------
                    Owner of following bikes:
                    1980 Suzuki GS550ET
                    1977 Yamaha RD 250D
                    1982 Kawasaki GPZ 750 R1
                    1980 Suzuki GSX 250E

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                      #55
                      Update : engine in.

                      Just sorting electrics and other bits and next
                      comments should be engine start and running in.

                      Have one issue with regulator (on elecs thread ).
                      but wont stop progress.

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                      Last edited by ukjules; 11-19-2020, 01:39 PM.
                      UKJULES
                      ---------------------------------
                      Owner of following bikes:
                      1980 Suzuki GS550ET
                      1977 Yamaha RD 250D
                      1982 Kawasaki GPZ 750 R1
                      1980 Suzuki GSX 250E

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                        #56
                        Will be first start and first heat cycle this weekend.
                        Amazing for once on my GS to have every bolt and nut
                        torqued perfectly and no stripped threads.

                        I look at the original engine and
                        see the butchery on it. Stripped
                        threads on the exhaust ports, cam cover and
                        leaks from can chain tensioner and
                        cam cover. This is how it came mind.
                        Gonna strip it down after the GS is
                        sound.
                        UKJULES
                        ---------------------------------
                        Owner of following bikes:
                        1980 Suzuki GS550ET
                        1977 Yamaha RD 250D
                        1982 Kawasaki GPZ 750 R1
                        1980 Suzuki GSX 250E

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                          #57
                          Bike started within 4 seconds turning key.
                          Pre oiled cylinders before with a squirt with plugs out and ran.

                          no leaks as of yet but only started to check timing and test.

                          only issue as per another thread re exhaust , is cylinder 4
                          aluminium manifold is warped so wont hold tightly ex gasket.
                          so its make straight or new or I might try 2 gaskets in that one.

                          test run tomorrow with first heat cycle.
                          UKJULES
                          ---------------------------------
                          Owner of following bikes:
                          1980 Suzuki GS550ET
                          1977 Yamaha RD 250D
                          1982 Kawasaki GPZ 750 R1
                          1980 Suzuki GSX 250E

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                            #58
                            First few runs . Total of 20m done now and using
                            running technique from thread on here.

                            Bike runs like a dream . This and haven't touched carbs
                            for mixture and vacuum gauge setting.
                            Will check plugs and see how it goes but a result . Engine
                            was rebuilt by an expert as a hobby.

                            So oil leak fixed by putting in another engine...

                            now I must find out and recon my original engine.
                            look out for another thread .....

                            thanks for alls help.
                            UKJULES
                            ---------------------------------
                            Owner of following bikes:
                            1980 Suzuki GS550ET
                            1977 Yamaha RD 250D
                            1982 Kawasaki GPZ 750 R1
                            1980 Suzuki GSX 250E

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                              #59
                              p.s I used athena cam cover gasket and
                              some grease on both sides.
                              It seems to work.

                              (only used athena as knew I'd be checking valves, cost
                              and took a chance as the surfaces were in perfect condition.
                              Seems if they are athena ones work)

                              we will see after a remove and replace
                              Last edited by ukjules; 11-24-2020, 05:27 AM.
                              UKJULES
                              ---------------------------------
                              Owner of following bikes:
                              1980 Suzuki GS550ET
                              1977 Yamaha RD 250D
                              1982 Kawasaki GPZ 750 R1
                              1980 Suzuki GSX 250E

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