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  • free99
    Forum Mentor
    • Sep 2019
    • 139
    • Seattle, WA

    #1

    Primer color?

    Hey everyone,
    Kind of a weird question, but let's see what the consensus is:

    I picked up an aerosol can of custom-mixed red micro-flake spray from a local automotive paint shop.

    The guy who runs the place told me about an old school trick local cholos would do when customizing their cars, involving painting a checker pattern using black and white primers, then subsequently going over the whole pattern with the main color paint, and then clearcoat. It apparently imparts a subtle change in the paint color.
    Fella goes on to suggest that my red flake would look really good over a black primer, but I have trouble believing that. Wouldn't the red over black result in a muddy brown, vs the white primer?

    What are your thoughts, or anecdotes?
    1982 GS 450L aka Lil' Red
    1980 GS 1000G aka Big Red (Resto-mod WIP)
  • Gorminrider
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    Past Site Supporter
    • Aug 2012
    • 4803
    • British Columbia, Canada

    #2
    There's certainly a lot of truth about the undercoat affecting the final colour. Sometimes, the instructions specify which primer to use.

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    • rphillips
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      • Jun 2005
      • 7611
      • Norene TN

      #3
      This seems almost a trick question. There are sooo many different types of paint & applications, some the primer will make a huge difference while with others there will be absolutely no difference...Just my opinion.
      1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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      • Cipher
        Forum Sage
        • Mar 2016
        • 3129
        • Toronto Ontario

        #4
        Originally posted by free99
        Hey everyone,
        Kind of a weird question, but let's see what the consensus is:

        I picked up an aerosol can of custom-mixed red micro-flake spray from a local automotive paint shop.

        The guy who runs the place told me about an old school trick local cholos would do when customizing their cars, involving painting a checker pattern using black and white primers, then subsequently going over the whole pattern with the main color paint, and then clearcoat. It apparently imparts a subtle change in the paint color.
        Fella goes on to suggest that my red flake would look really good over a black primer, but I have trouble believing that. Wouldn't the red over black result in a muddy brown, vs the white primer?

        What are your thoughts, or anecdotes?
        Youtube and consult the manu of your paint
        Candy apple red uses the multi layer technique.
        1983 GS 550 LD
        2009 BMW K1300s

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        • Buffalo Bill
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          • Jun 2008
          • 6004
          • New Buffalo, Michigan 49117

          #5
          Red is a transparent paint, so the primer shade makes a big difference.
          Choose the primer for the final brightness, rust red primer will give a dark red, middle gray or light gray is safe, white will be the brightest.
          You could also try an undercoat of silver, gold or yellow if you feel creative.
          Test a couple primers first before you commit.
          Last edited by Buffalo Bill; 02-13-2022, 03:24 PM.
          1982 GS1100G-
          1990 GSX750/1127
          1987 Honda CBR600F Hurricane
          1985 Kawasaki GPz750

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          • nvr2old
            Forum Sage
            • Jan 2009
            • 2134
            • Sandpoint, Idaho

            #6
            I think if it were me, I'd spray a light grey primer then spray a base coat of solid red as close to the micro-flake red color that's in the can. It'll take very few coats to cover that way, followed by the clear coats.
            1979 GS1000S,

            1982 Honda CX500 Turbo, 1982 Honda MB5 w/CR80 motor, 1977 Honda "nekid" Goldwing, 1976 Honda CB550F cafe', 1972 Honda XL250 cafe'

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            • free99
              Forum Mentor
              • Sep 2019
              • 139
              • Seattle, WA

              #7
              Originally posted by nvr2old
              I think if it were me, I'd spray a light grey primer then spray a base coat of solid red as close to the micro-flake red color that's in the can. It'll take very few coats to cover that way, followed by the clear coats.
              You were spot-on with this advice, after a lot of experimentation, it wound up being the best path forward. Light grey filler-primer, several good coats of metallic, couple coats of clear. I'll post pics tomorrow once I get a picture of the tank in the sun.
              1982 GS 450L aka Lil' Red
              1980 GS 1000G aka Big Red (Resto-mod WIP)

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              • free99
                Forum Mentor
                • Sep 2019
                • 139
                • Seattle, WA

                #8
                Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
                Red is a transparent paint, so the primer shade makes a big difference.
                Choose the primer for the final brightness, rust red primer will give a dark red, middle gray or light gray is safe, white will be the brightest.
                You could also try an undercoat of silver, gold or yellow if you feel creative.
                Test a couple primers first before you commit.
                Thanks for this advice, I found red over gold flake looked the nicest, but of course the local automotive place only had a single small can, and I needed two. Wound up going with light grey primer, came out pretty nicely. But, sage advice I'll earmark for the future when I paint the GS1000.
                1982 GS 450L aka Lil' Red
                1980 GS 1000G aka Big Red (Resto-mod WIP)

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                • free99
                  Forum Mentor
                  • Sep 2019
                  • 139
                  • Seattle, WA

                  #9
                  Just testing:
                  1982 GS 450L aka Lil' Red
                  1980 GS 1000G aka Big Red (Resto-mod WIP)

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