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  • 93Bandit
    Forum Mentor
    • Nov 2018
    • 839
    • Mundy Twp, Michigan

    #16
    Originally posted by gustovh

    If only it was that easy. The problem developed before the new mounts and diaphragms.

    Here is a little more feedback.
    Turned the pilots out to 21/2 turns, ran the bike till warm and adjusted to lean best idle. I could turn #1/3 screws almost all the way in and not much change….this is not right……hmmmm
    Well bummer. Figured it was a long shot but didn't want the chance of withholding a suggestion from keeping you from fixing it.
    - 1983 GS850L ~ 30,000 miles and going up - Finally ready for a proper road trip!
    - 1977 GS750B - Sold but not forgotten

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    • gustovh
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      • Oct 2006
      • 4997
      • Vernonia

      #17
      I start soaking carbs tomorrow, should see some results in about a week.
      Gustov
      80 GS 1100 LT, 83 1100 G "Scruffy"
      81 GS 1000 G
      79 GS 850 G
      81 GS 850 L
      83 GS 550 ES, 85 GS 550 ES
      80 GS 550 L
      86 450 Rebel, 70CL 70, Yamaha TTR125
      2002 Honda 919
      2004 Ural Gear up

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      • Suzukian
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        • Sep 2022
        • 1032
        • Connecticut

        #18
        Have you checked your valve adjustments in a while?

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        • gustovh
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          #19
          Originally posted by Suzukian
          Have you checked your valve adjustments in a while?
          Yes it’s the first thing that I do.

          V

          Gustov
          80 GS 1100 LT, 83 1100 G "Scruffy"
          81 GS 1000 G
          79 GS 850 G
          81 GS 850 L
          83 GS 550 ES, 85 GS 550 ES
          80 GS 550 L
          86 450 Rebel, 70CL 70, Yamaha TTR125
          2002 Honda 919
          2004 Ural Gear up

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          • Suzukian
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            • Sep 2022
            • 1032
            • Connecticut

            #20
            If you are spraying starting fluid, and getting no change (I always make sure I have the little Red Tube on the Spray can) so I can isolate where I spray, but if you aren't getting any change in you idle, then it is not an intake leak. The response on the smallest of leaks is definitive and fast. I asked about the valves as my GS750ES has cam followers with the locknut and square head screw, and I wasn't paying attention the way I should have, and tightened them to tight, boy did that bike run like cr@p

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            • Nessism
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              • Mar 2006
              • 35791
              • Torrance, CA

              #21
              Originally posted by gustovh
              I start soaking carbs tomorrow, should see some results in about a week.
              Don't over soak. It damages the throttle shaft seals. Soak for the minimum time necessary to make sure all the passages are open.
              Ed

              To measure is to know.

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              • Suzukian
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                • Sep 2022
                • 1032
                • Connecticut

                #22
                X2 on that and also about what Nessism​ asked about syncing the carbs. It is so very important. Also, that is the beginning of the era of cold blooded bikes, so don't try to get too low of of an idle out of it. The manual will tell you the proper warm idle speed, I think it's around 1000 rpm.

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                • Buffalo Bill
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                  • Jun 2008
                  • 6006
                  • New Buffalo, Michigan 49117

                  #23
                  Old carburetors of course. Find another carb set and try again?
                  Changes with warm up so maybe metal expanding around an old seal.
                  The throttle valve shafts leaking air?
                  Dipping removes blockage, that's not the problem. You got leakage.
                  Old air screws? Tiny O rings there dried up? Assembled wrong?
                  Last edited by Buffalo Bill; 01-23-2023, 06:38 AM.
                  1982 GS1100G-
                  1990 GSX750/1127
                  1987 Honda CBR600F Hurricane
                  1985 Kawasaki GPz750

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                  • gustovh
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                    #24
                    I do an overnight soak on carb bodies then a sonic wash and hot water rinse and blow dry with high pressure air. Valves are set per manual. all O rings replaced.

                    I might add that I have owned this bike since 2002 and this is the first running problem like this that I have had. Mileage is somewhere around 40,000
                    Gustov
                    80 GS 1100 LT, 83 1100 G "Scruffy"
                    81 GS 1000 G
                    79 GS 850 G
                    81 GS 850 L
                    83 GS 550 ES, 85 GS 550 ES
                    80 GS 550 L
                    86 450 Rebel, 70CL 70, Yamaha TTR125
                    2002 Honda 919
                    2004 Ural Gear up

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                    • Nessism
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by gustovh
                      I do an overnight soak on carb bodies then a sonic wash and hot water rinse and blow dry with high pressure air. Valves are set per manual. all O rings replaced.

                      I might add that I have owned this bike since 2002 and this is the first running problem like this that I have had. Mileage is somewhere around 40,000
                      I use Berryman's "professional" formula, and soaking just a couple of hours results in sluggish throttle shaft movement because the shaft seals swell up so badly. They usually shrink back down after drying out, but just saying, that Berryman's dip ain't good for the seals.
                      Ed

                      To measure is to know.

                      Mikuni O-ring Kits For Sale...https://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...ts#post1703182

                      Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

                      Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf

                      KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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                      • gustovh
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                        • 4997
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Nessism

                        I use Berryman's "professional" formula, and soaking just a couple of hours results in sluggish throttle shaft movement because the shaft seals swell up so badly. They usually shrink back down after drying out, but just saying, that Berryman's dip ain't good for the seals.
                        I use Napa carb dip….haven’t had any trouble with it. The issue started on my way home on a 700 miler, it started off slow and gradually got worse every time I had to stop. Been fighting it ever since.

                        V
                        Gustov
                        80 GS 1100 LT, 83 1100 G "Scruffy"
                        81 GS 1000 G
                        79 GS 850 G
                        81 GS 850 L
                        83 GS 550 ES, 85 GS 550 ES
                        80 GS 550 L
                        86 450 Rebel, 70CL 70, Yamaha TTR125
                        2002 Honda 919
                        2004 Ural Gear up

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                        • Buffalo Bill
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                          • Jun 2008
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                          • New Buffalo, Michigan 49117

                          #27
                          If you have another carb rack, you could try it on the bike; to test if the problem is the carb rack or other.
                          I have a similar problem with my GSXR carbs. Just bought another rack to try, (next spring).
                          1982 GS1100G-
                          1990 GSX750/1127
                          1987 Honda CBR600F Hurricane
                          1985 Kawasaki GPz750

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                          • gustovh
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                            • Oct 2006
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
                            If you have another carb rack, you could try it on the bike; to test if the problem is the carb rack or other.
                            I have a similar problem with my GSXR carbs. Just bought another rack to try, (next spring).
                            If only I did.

                            V
                            Gustov
                            80 GS 1100 LT, 83 1100 G "Scruffy"
                            81 GS 1000 G
                            79 GS 850 G
                            81 GS 850 L
                            83 GS 550 ES, 85 GS 550 ES
                            80 GS 550 L
                            86 450 Rebel, 70CL 70, Yamaha TTR125
                            2002 Honda 919
                            2004 Ural Gear up

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                            • Buffalo Bill
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by gustovh

                              If only I did.

                              V
                              If you still have that 1000G and it's running good, I'd try swapping the rack over for a test, if it fits.
                              1982 GS1100G-
                              1990 GSX750/1127
                              1987 Honda CBR600F Hurricane
                              1985 Kawasaki GPz750

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                              • Suzukian
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                                • Sep 2022
                                • 1032
                                • Connecticut

                                #30
                                If the throttle shafts were sucking air, the Starter Fluid would have revved up the idle big time..

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