Has anyone had their carb bowls go dry at WOT?

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  • Gregory
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    • Sep 2012
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    • Southlake - DFW - North Texas

    #1

    Has anyone had their carb bowls go dry at WOT?

    We were out riding (I have 1986 1150 E engine) and got out on a long straightaway with wide open throttle for a couple miles or possibly a couple minutes.

    I was running about 125 when the bike bogged down and almost stopped running, until apparently, the carb bowls filled back up.

    Any hunches on what this could be? Can an improper float height setting cause this to happen? Any troubleshooting tips?
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  • rphillips
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    Would think if all 4 carbs going dry at same time, possibly vacuum not opening valve in pet-cock "COMPLETELY". I'd check vacuum line to see there are no leaks. Would hate to tell anybody to go ride their bike 125mph., but if under same conditions and pet-cock set to PRI. if it runs OK, you'll know the petcock is the problem.... Uh, I can't believe I said that.
    1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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    • Buffalo Bill
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      #3
      Have that problem with my 1100G.
      I believe it's caused by an air bubble in the fuel line, forming where the line runs horizontal over the carbs.
      The GS gravity fed fuel line system is primitive.
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      • zed1015
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        • Oct 2020
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        #4
        Insufficient fuel supply at high rpm.
        Things that need checking are fuel tank vent ( partial blockage/restricted ) , fuel tap flow, fuel line size and flow, fuel line filter for partial blockage, sediment accumulation in the float valve filters if fitted and float height check.
        I'd spend a day and go through the whole lot.
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        • storm 64
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          #5
          Yes...
          My solution was adding fuel inlets to the outside of the 1 and 4 carburetors. The ONE central inlet was not enough to keep 1 and 4 from starving for fuel...
          Last edited by storm 64; 05-09-2023, 09:49 PM.
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          • Suzukian
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            • Sep 2022
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            • Connecticut

            #6
            Sagging float bowls will do that. Float bowls can sag over time front the bumps in the road and gravity pushing down on them, of if they are improperly set. When you check them, shake them to make sure they have no gas inside.

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            • rphillips
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              #7
              Many things sag, My wife's once rose bud tattoo is now a long stem rose tattoo. but a float bowl sagging??? I need way more explanation on that one.
              1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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              • rphillips
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                #8
                storm, any more info? I've seen a bunch of bikes, but never remember hearing of that fuel Tee and tube not serving enough fuel to the outside carbs. You've got my curiosity stirred up.
                1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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                • bonanzadave
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by rphillips
                  You've got my curiosity stirred up.
                  Me too. Is there some sort of multi port manifold involved ? Seems like the petcock is only gonna pass so much fuel......
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                  • Cipher
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                    • Mar 2016
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                    • Toronto Ontario

                    #10
                    Originally posted by rphillips
                    Many things sag, My wife's once rose bud tattoo is now a long stem rose tattoo. but a float bowl sagging??? I need way more explanation on that one.
                    The tang might bend over time.
                    the spring inside the valve could rust to varying degrees as well.
                    the petcock diaphragm might have a hole or tear and the vacuum line might be collapsing on itself partially or even completely at high rpm.
                    check the fuel cap.
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                    • rphillips
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                      #11
                      Would any of these things cause a float bowl to sag? I'm still missing it.
                      1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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                      • Cha5
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                        • Jan 2022
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                        #12
                        Don't rule out carb icing . . . .

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                        • Suzukian
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                          • Sep 2022
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                          #13
                          It's called gravity. The Brass tangs that hold the float bowls are soft metal. Bouncing and gravity will affect their function, as the float bowls set the level of gas in the float bowl. If the floats are too low, the bike will run, but at higher speeds not have enough fuel in the float bows to sustain the drain. Float bowl setting is a major component of rebuilding carbs. If you have not done this then you have not rebuilt, or set up your carbs properly. There's also not telling what else you may have missed. It might be worth having a shop do the work.

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                          • rphillips
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                            #14
                            Now I figured it out, what you call float bowls, I call floats. To me the the float bowl is the bowl the float resides in. I set the float height to regulate the fuel level in the float bowl... Funny how terminology is different in different parts of the country... Also hard for me to imagine how more fuel could be sucked out of the float bowl, through that "tiny hole" in the main jet, faster than fuel can run in through the needle valve that has a waaay bigger opening, unless the needle isn't opening properly or some kind of obstruction up stream of the needle valve.
                            1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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                            • Gregory
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                              #15
                              I want to thank all of you for your thoughts and suggestions. Sorry it took so long to respond, I don't know why I did not get alerts for these in my email in box. I will check everything mentioned.
                              82 gs1100e FAUX Skunk
                              80 gs1000s

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