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  • HarlemShake
    Forum Newbie
    • Jun 2024
    • 11
    • Beaverton, Or

    #1

    VM26SS issues?

    I have a 78 GS750C,

    I got the bike about 2 months ago. Cleaned the carbs, rebuilt them and it ran like a top!

    Took the bike out for my first “long ride” (60+ miles), at about the 40 mile mark the bike started surging and cutting out, popping and back firing.

    I limped the bike home via back roads, cause I couldn’t go over 30mph and quarter throttle with a load, it would fall on its face. I can rev the bike with no problems, it’s just under load where I have the issue.

    so, I pulled the carbs and cleaned them again. I bought a color tune and tuned the carbs, bench synced them and it ran better, but it’s not zippy. Once the bike warms up it’s popping and surging still.

    I replaced the o-rings for the “intake” and there were no cracks in the rubber. I’ve went through and checked timing, valve spacing and all was good.

    I’m now confused, only thing I can think is maybe it’s the jetting? I used jets from a rebuild kit. I’m not savvy on carbs and I can’t find anything on the VM26SS. I just want to know what the stock sizes are for all the internals of the carb.

    Any other ideas what could be going on? I’m at my wits end.
  • Nessism
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    • Mar 2006
    • 35787
    • Torrance, CA

    #2
    Did you adjust the valves? Clean & adjust the points?
    Ed

    To measure is to know.

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    • chuck hahn
      Forum LongTimer
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      • May 2009
      • 25918
      • Norman, Oklahoma

      #3
      I would supect condensors went bad
      MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
      1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

      NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


      I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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      • chuck hahn
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        • May 2009
        • 25918
        • Norman, Oklahoma

        #4
        SERVICE MANUAL HERE........... https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/

        PARTS FICHES HERE................ https://www.partsoutlaw.com/
        MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
        1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

        NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


        I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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        • HarlemShake
          Forum Newbie
          • Jun 2024
          • 11
          • Beaverton, Or

          #5
          Originally posted by Nessism
          Did you adjust the valves? Clean & adjust the points?
          Yes, the valves didn’t need adjusting. I did clean and adjust the points.

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          • KiwiAlfa156
            Forum Mentor
            • Sep 2012
            • 661
            • New Zealand

            #6
            Originally posted by HarlemShake

            Yes, the valves didn’t need adjusting. I did clean and adjust the points.
            By "adjust the points" you mean set the gap? Or do you also mean set the ignition timing using a timing light?
            82 GSX1100SXZ Katana
            82 GSX750SZ Katana
            82 GS650GZ Katana

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            • HarlemShake
              Forum Newbie
              • Jun 2024
              • 11
              • Beaverton, Or

              #7
              Originally posted by chuck hahn
              I would supect condensors went bad
              You may be right, I’ll get some on order and see if that’s the culprit. Considering I changed the coil packs and nothing came of it, that could be it.

              I was getting pretty frustrated with everyone telling me it’s the “Carbs”. I’ve gone through those things 5 times in the past 3 weeks.

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              • chuck hahn
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                • May 2009
                • 25918
                • Norman, Oklahoma

                #8
                He means setting the gaps AND using usingtiming light to adjustntiming to the F mark. You set the timing on the left ones first with the big plate and the right one last with the subplate
                MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                • unfocused
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                  • Jul 2019
                  • 384
                  • St. Augustine, FL

                  #9
                  I am going to throw this out there - but where are you floats adjusted at? Even 1mm to high can cause issues - my VM26's I run at 25mm but still tweaking.
                  Current:
                  1993 ZX11 - 2nd build in progress
                  1977 GS750 (710 is getting closer)
                  1998 Kawasaki Voyager - selling
                  1998 Chevy C2500
                  1999 Rav4

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                  • HarlemShake
                    Forum Newbie
                    • Jun 2024
                    • 11
                    • Beaverton, Or

                    #10
                    Originally posted by unfocused
                    I am going to throw this out there - but where are you floats adjusted at? Even 1mm to high can cause issues - my VM26's I run at 25mm but still tweaking.
                    I set them at 25mm as-well. They still need a little adjusting, but I’m not sure that the floats would cause power surges. It literally jolts as if I’ve got power then bogs, then jolts again and back fires. It’s a cycle.

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                    • Nessism
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                      • Mar 2006
                      • 35787
                      • Torrance, CA

                      #11
                      Carbs won't typically cause the bike to cut out when hot. That sounds like an ignition problem or maybe fuel flow, petcock or tank vent problem.
                      Ed

                      To measure is to know.

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                      Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

                      Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf

                      KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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                      • Big T
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                        • Mar 2005
                        • 12391
                        • West Slope, OR

                        #12
                        But a set of quality points and condensers from a reputable seller.
                        Don't buy cheap parts from eBay or Temu.

                        Check your points again, they're probably burnt.

                        Best solution is a Dyna S ignition
                        1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                        1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                        1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                        1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                        1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                        1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                        2007 DRz 400S
                        1999 ATK 490ES
                        1994 DR 350SES

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                        • oldGSfan
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                          • Jul 2018
                          • 1319
                          • Southern California

                          #13
                          Did you stop to fuel up along the way?
                          Tom

                          '82 GS1100E Mr. Turbo
                          '79 GS100E
                          Other non Suzuki bikes

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                          • HarlemShake
                            Forum Newbie
                            • Jun 2024
                            • 11
                            • Beaverton, Or

                            #14
                            Originally posted by oldGSfan
                            Did you stop to fuel up along the way?
                            No, I was on a full tank when I left the house. Fueled the day before.

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                            • HarlemShake
                              Forum Newbie
                              • Jun 2024
                              • 11
                              • Beaverton, Or

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Big T
                              But a set of quality points and condensers from a reputable seller.
                              Don't buy cheap parts from eBay or Temu.

                              Check your points again, they're probably burnt.

                              Best solution is a Dyna S ignition
                              I ordered condenser and points from a reputable dealer, should be here today. I’m thinking ignition too. It idles fine, it’s under load where it misses.

                              I’m definitely going to convert to the Dyna S later this summer, just want to make sure the bike is running right before I start making changes.
                              Last edited by HarlemShake; 06-15-2024, 04:26 PM.

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