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  • sacruickshank
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    • Dec 2016
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    #1

    Looking for confirmation on likely source of fuel leak

    When doing a leak test on my carb bank, I'm getting a fuel leak from carb3 in the red area below. If I read the diagrams correctly, this port bring air to the main jet/emulsifier tube area that is closed off by the main needle. I assume this leak means the valve for that carb is not sealing correctly. Does that sound right? Could it be something else?

    The carbs are still in the rack, but I used an old one that was already separated for the pic below.

    Thanks

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    Current rides: GS850G, GL1100, Triumph Scrambler XC, Guzzi V85TT, Kawi Z900RS
  • zed1015
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    • Oct 2020
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    • North Lincolnshire - UK .

    #2
    Yes! It's the main air jet passage to the needle jet tube and likely overflowing due to excess fuel height in the bowl caused by either a sticking/leaking float valve or similar.
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    • Big T
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      #3
      O ring failure under the float needle seat
      1978 GS 1000 (since new)
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      • chuck hahn
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        #4
        both of the above answers are possible causes First id revisit all the float hts and be sure side in each carb is the same. Remember hts are checked without the gasket in place, work the flots up and down with the gasket in place and watch the floats arent dragging on the gasket causing them to hang up.. it does happen.Run a line from a gravity bottle with water and hold the float up on that carb and watch what leaks or IF anything leaks. If alls good drain the bowls and blow compressed air through the rack to blow residual water out.
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        • sacruickshank
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          #5
          Originally posted by Big T
          O ring failure under the float needle seat
          Sounds like a simple solution. Getting them out without damaging the valve holder ... not so simple.
          Current rides: GS850G, GL1100, Triumph Scrambler XC, Guzzi V85TT, Kawi Z900RS

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          • Nessism
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            #6
            You might want to bite the bullet and do a full and complete carb rebuild. Never a waste of time on an original set with old and hard O-rings.

            The float valve sometimes is hard to remove, and that's because the old O-ring has turned hard and petrified. Some heat on the carb body, around the seat, will help soften the O-ring. Be careful when removing the seat, so you don't damage it.

            Check my signature for a copy of a rebuild tutorial that many people find useful.
            Ed

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            • sacruickshank
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              #7
              Originally posted by Nessism
              You might want to bite the bullet and do a full and complete carb rebuild. Never a waste of time on an original set with old and hard O-rings.

              The float valve sometimes is hard to remove, and that's because the old O-ring has turned hard and petrified. Some heat on the carb body, around the seat, will help soften the O-ring. Be careful when removing the seat, so you don't damage it.

              Check my signature for a copy of a rebuild tutorial that many people find useful.
              You're right that I've been doing the quick & dirty carb update so far. The bike was previously only firing on 3 cylinders, then I corrected the valves clearances and would like to try a restart again before doing a full proper carb job. The carbs have some other issues, like frozen mixture screws on three of the four carbs, that will eventually need attention. Haven't yet tried heat on them, but that might be needed.

              If memory serves, you helped out with a past GS project, that one was a650L with outer carb bodies corroded so badly two needed replacement.
              Current rides: GS850G, GL1100, Triumph Scrambler XC, Guzzi V85TT, Kawi Z900RS

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              • Rich82GS750TZ
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                #8
                What's your hurry? You already admit multiple carbs have problems. You already know it won't run correctly as is. Yes, Ed is the carb man, has helped many. Do him proud and do it right. Just my opinion, of course.
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                • rphillips
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                  #9
                  You probably already know, but breaking a post while removing floats happens a lot. Be careful.
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                  • dgates1
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                    #10
                    This was my experience on the stuck fuel mixture screws. Don't do what I did and break off a screw extractor in there!

                    I am working on my carburetors for a 1980 GS850GL and two of my fuel mixture screws will not come out. This is the first time they have been out as far as I can tell, the plugs were still in place. One of them is almost out and I think I can get the rest with a screw extractor on that one. The bigger issue is the number 1 carb
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                    • Nessism
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by rphillips
                      You probably already know, but breaking a post while removing floats happens a lot. Be careful.
                      The post won't break if the person follows the instructions provided in the rebuild tutorial linked in my signature.
                      Ed

                      To measure is to know.

                      Mikuni O-ring Kits For Sale...https://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...ts#post1703182

                      Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

                      Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf

                      KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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                      • sacruickshank
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nessism

                        The post won't break if the person follows the instructions provided in the rebuild tutorial linked in my signature.
                        I've taken apart dozens of carbs and haven't broken a post yet, so I'm not worried about that.

                        At this point, I'll start a full tear down since putting each carb in my ultrasonic cleaner may unstick both the leaky valve seats and the stuck mixture screws.

                        The engine is not yet ready for a test start anyway since the gasket surfaces are not yet clean.

                        Current rides: GS850G, GL1100, Triumph Scrambler XC, Guzzi V85TT, Kawi Z900RS

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