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  • adam kinmond

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    Dented header and exhaust question

    can someone here have a look at the pics and let me know your thoughts. the header is smashed up pretty good, wondering if i should repair or replace? i dont think it will affect overall performance. not sure what the previous owner put on as far as exhaust pipes but im sure im in need of a jetting change. im sure the carb is all stock, bike runs well up to 7000rpm then flutters the rest of the way up. i have on the stock airbox. i am in the process of adjusting the valves and replacing orings for carb manifolds and carbs. while im into the carbs i was thinking of going up a size in the mains moving the needle jet down a notch? i pulled the plugs after a ride and they were slightly on the lean side. i know i got some work to do but i would like to know thoughts on the exhaust setup. thanks
  • adam kinmond

    #2
    only 1 pic per post allowed?

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    • adam kinmond

      #3
      heres the 3rd pic, sorry, but this is the only way i know how to put up more than one pic.

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      • Dave8338
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        • Aug 2006
        • 11608
        • Annandale, MN

        #4
        Replace. You should be able to find the inner pipe with ease, either here or on FleaBay.

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        • cowboyup3371
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          #5
          Use a photo hosting site like Photobucket or, heaven forbid, imageshack. You can post up to ten photos per thread. See Basscliff's site for instructions.
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          • Clone

            #6
            It looks to me like a boom tube welded to the stock header. Lean no wonder, it is straight through without restriction except from the dented header.

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            • adam kinmond

              #7
              just wondering if i should change the main jet size up a size when i have the carbs off? really need some help

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              • Dave8338
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                • Aug 2006
                • 11608
                • Annandale, MN

                #8
                Won't know until you get the thing back on the road (or dyno if you could be so lucky) as it will need to be sorted, depending on what you decide to do with the exhaust.

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                • SVSooke

                  #9
                  This may work on that header http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...p?t=172203.Did a nice job on the one I had.

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                  • adam kinmond

                    #10
                    thanks for the help. I will have to aquire such a tool. anyone know the id of the header pipe is on a 550LZ?
                    Looks like the real hard part of this project will be taking the headers off. I guess i better start spraying with liquid wrench

                    Anyone got ideas for jetting, dont think i need needles just a few sizes up on mains. stock i believe is
                    Mikuni N100.604 Large Round Main Jet
                    9mm in length with a 8mm Round Head

                    size 92.5.

                    I would like to get right the first time was thinking 95 or 97.5 or ever 100. the needle jet should have the notches, so making it a notch or two richer will be no problem. these carbs are a pain to remove and repalce.

                    I wish there was a "jet club" like the shim club.

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                    • Agemax
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                      • Apr 2008
                      • 8371
                      • plymouth uk

                      #11
                      you will not get it right first time, it is a case of trial and error. you need to RAISE the needles to richen the mixture
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                      • adam kinmond

                        #12
                        Need header ID

                        If anyone knows the id of the stock header, i would appreciate it. i will be making a tool based on texasgs design. i would like to have the tool made before i take the exhaust off so there will be less downtime. just need to know the size of ball bearing to buy to shove up the header.

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                        • Steve
                          GS Whisperer
                          • Jun 2005
                          • 35924
                          • southwest oHIo

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Agemax
                          you will not get it right first time, it is a case of trial and error. you need to RAISE the needles to richen the mixture
                          There are times where we can suggest jet sizes, but those suggestions would be based on experience.
                          For example: with stock airbox and XXX header, go this many sizes larger. For pods and a header, go that many sizes.

                          You mentioned that you have the stock airbox, but those pipes are another matter.
                          They sort of appear to be rather free-flowing, but what's that thing that is stuck in there?



                          There is simply no way to tell how much the air flow is hindered by that device, so jetting will definitely have to be trial and error.

                          Agemax has it right, you will need to RAISE your needle. Normally, you would lower the clip to raise the needle (it has a spring that pushes it UP, against a stop), but your needles don't have but one groove for the clip. The good news is that there is a thick nylon spacer above the clip. Remove the spacer and replace it with a couple of thinner metal washers to raise the needle. The washer assortment at Radio Shack is a favorite source. Just use the smallest washers in there. Four washers are about the thickness of the nylon spacer, so start with two washers to raise the needle.

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                          • steve murdoch
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                            • May 2004
                            • 8491
                            • St. Catharines, On.

                            #14
                            Adam, sorry i can't help you with the inner diameter of the pipe but if you do find it beyond repair Peterborough Cycle Salvage is in your neighbourhood. I have bought a couple of things from them over the years and found them to be helpful.
                            2@ \'78 GS1000

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                            • Homie

                              #15
                              Jet Club??

                              Originally posted by adam kinmond
                              I wish there was a "jet club" like the shim club.
                              Adjusting the jetting is kind of like adjusting artillery fire - you got to keep adjusting it until you finally zero in on the target. Unless of course you happen to be one of the "gifted" ones who can get it right with one adjustment. And if you have to adjust all five components (mains, pilot, needles, needle jet, and air bleeds) multiple times it gets real expensive real quick!

                              I think that is a GREAT idea! Dialing in my RS36's took a couple of adjustments to the pilot, needles and mains until I got it to where the engine was happy. Wasn't cheap either, spent about $140 on jets and needles!

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