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  • DrSatan

    #1

    Carb jets!

    Well whilst waiting for my new o-rings for my carb rebuild i thought i would check out the jet sizes, this is what i found...

    Pilot jet - 40
    Main jet - 92.5
    Pilot air jet - 120

    I am wondering if these are stock sizes?
    The bike has a 4 into 1 Motad exhaust and stock air box, i am wanting to put pod filters on so would like to know if these jets are sufficient or not and if not what size jets should i be looking for?

    Thank you for your time,

    The bike is a gs550 mx '82.
  • Agemax
    Forum Guru
    • Apr 2008
    • 8371
    • plymouth uk

    #2
    i dont know if they are stock jets but they probably are. if you want to fit pods you would need to up the mains to about 110's i would guess, just as a starting point
    1978 GS1085.

    Just remember, an opinion without 3.14 is just an onion!

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    • Steve
      GS Whisperer
      • Jun 2005
      • 35924
      • southwest oHIo

      #3
      Originally posted by DrSatan
      i thought i would check out the jet sizes, this is what i found...

      Pilot jet - 40
      Main jet - 92.5
      Pilot air jet - 120

      I am wondering if these are stock sizes?
      Yes, those are stock sizes.


      Originally posted by DrSatan
      The bike has a 4 into 1 Motad exhaust and stock air box, i am wanting to put pod filters on so would like to know if these jets are sufficient or not and if not what size jets should i be looking for?
      Depending on how free-flowing your exhaust is, you should already have 100 mains, maybe 102.5. Adding pods, you will need to go to something in the 110-115 range.

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      • DrSatan

        #4
        Thanks for the quick responses, si it's just the main jet that needs changing?

        Thanks again.

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        • BassCliff

          #5
          Hi,

          Originally posted by DrSatan
          Thanks for the quick responses, [so] it's just the main jet that needs changing?
          For your configuration, probably. But you should perform "plug chops" to be certain. Since certain jets deliver fuel at certain throttle openings you need to make sure each throttle opening delivers an adequate air/fuel mixture. It is possible to be OK at one throttle opening but lean at a different throttle opening.

          You may be OK with the pilot jet since you are using the stock airbox. But you may need to raise the jet needles a tad to make the mid-range a little richer. You can tell by doing the plug chops and reading the spark plugs.

          You'll find a couple of procedures for figuring out jetting on my little website along with links to everything you ever wanted to know about reading your spark plugs.

          Related links on my little website:

          Plug Chop and
          Idle Mixture Adjust Methods

          (by Mr. koolaid_kid,Mr. tkent02, Mr. psyguy)

          Spark Plugs, How to Read

          CV Carb Jetting and Cleaning

          Fine Points Of CV Carb Internals

          Shimming The Needle

          Suzuki GS Series Carb Specs


          Mr. Matchless' "How To" Guides - carb info, wheel alignment, igniter repair, lighting/electrical upgrades, parts fabrication, etc.

          Thank you for your indulgence,

          BassCliff
          Last edited by Guest; 02-27-2013, 01:34 PM.

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          • Steve
            GS Whisperer
            • Jun 2005
            • 35924
            • southwest oHIo

            #6
            Originally posted by DrSatan
            Thanks for the quick responses, si it's just the main jet that needs changing?

            Thanks again.
            Generally speaking, you only need to change the mains, but will also need to richen up the mid-range by lifting the needles a bit.

            Are your needles adjustable? If so, move the clip down (toward the pointy end) one notch now, another notch when you add the pods.

            If your needles only have one notch, like ours in the USA, you will need to remove the thick nylon spacer that is above the clip and replace it with a stack of washers that is about half as thick.

            .
            sigpic
            mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
            hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
            #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
            #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
            Family Portrait
            Siblings and Spouses
            Mom's first ride
            Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
            (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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            • DrSatan

              #7
              Ideal, thank you, i shall read up on those links!

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              • hampshirehog
                Forum LongTimer
                Past Site Supporter
                • Oct 2007
                • 12675
                • Hampshire. UK

                #8
                With a Motad and stock airbox no jetting changes are needed - it's a very 'benign' pipe.

                If you want to go to pods (are you sure you do?) then you will have to up your mains - about 105s or thereabouts - and you will have to lift the needles. The pilot circuit will tune in easily on the mixture screws.
                79 GS1000S
                79 GS1000S (another one)
                80 GSX750
                80 GS550
                80 CB650 cafe racer
                75 PC50 - the one with OHV and pedals...
                75 TS100 - being ridden (suicidally) by my father

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                • Steve
                  GS Whisperer
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 35924
                  • southwest oHIo

                  #9
                  Originally posted by hampshirehog
                  With a Motad and stock airbox no jetting changes are needed - it's a very 'benign' pipe.
                  That is why I put that little disclaimer in there:
                  Originally posted by Steve
                  Depending on how free-flowing your exhaust is, ...

                  "Benign".

                  Is that the number between "be-eight" and "be-ten"?



                  .
                  sigpic
                  mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                  hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                  #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                  #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
                  Family Portrait
                  Siblings and Spouses
                  Mom's first ride
                  Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
                  (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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                  • Wingsconsin
                    Forum Sage
                    Past Site Supporter
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 1725
                    • Sussex Wisconsin

                    #10
                    Winner

                    Benign ---? BINGO !

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                    • hampshirehog
                      Forum LongTimer
                      Past Site Supporter
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 12675
                      • Hampshire. UK

                      #11
                      I guess 'benign' is another of those British English words that didn't make it across the water with the same meaning (or range of meanings). Oscar Wilde (or was it GBS?) was right all those years ago.

                      In this sense it means 'having little or no effect'.
                      79 GS1000S
                      79 GS1000S (another one)
                      80 GSX750
                      80 GS550
                      80 CB650 cafe racer
                      75 PC50 - the one with OHV and pedals...
                      75 TS100 - being ridden (suicidally) by my father

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                      • Steve
                        GS Whisperer
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 35924
                        • southwest oHIo

                        #12
                        Oh, we know what it means, we're just having fun with homonyms.

                        .
                        sigpic
                        mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                        hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                        #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                        #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
                        Family Portrait
                        Siblings and Spouses
                        Mom's first ride
                        Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
                        (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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                        • Agemax
                          Forum Guru
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 8371
                          • plymouth uk

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Steve
                          Oh, we know what it means, we're just having fun with homonyms.

                          .
                          who are you calling a HOMO NYM............?
                          1978 GS1085.

                          Just remember, an opinion without 3.14 is just an onion!

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                          • Steve
                            GS Whisperer
                            • Jun 2005
                            • 35924
                            • southwest oHIo

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Agemax
                            who are you calling a HOMO NYM............?
                            Just the ones we were having fun with.

                            Excuse me, that was not quite correct.

                            "Just the ones with whom we were having fun."

                            .
                            sigpic
                            mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                            hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                            #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                            #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
                            Family Portrait
                            Siblings and Spouses
                            Mom's first ride
                            Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
                            (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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                            • mvalenti
                              Forum Mentor
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 748
                              • Haverhill, MA

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Agemax
                              who are you calling a HOMO NYM............?
                              not that there is anything wrong with it.
                              -Mark
                              Boston, MA
                              Suck Squeeze Bang Blow..
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                              1980 GS850G with 79 carbs.....

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