Fuel starvation or ignition? Surging but not dying

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  • chuck hahn
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    • May 2009
    • 25918
    • Norman, Oklahoma

    #16
    Since you mention an "ignitor" I am assuming it has CV carbs. See the sticky at the top of the carb section on CV TUNING PROCEDURES. My guess is some float level tweeking will cure the ills. Its the first thing I would check anyway. Too low and they drag at the lower RPMs like near 3,000 or so. Too High and they tend to hit so rich the cylinders cant burn it all and it gets a jerky feeling to it. Start it and have a buddy run it up around 5 and stand behind it ..bet it smells gassy as heck.
    MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
    1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

    NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


    I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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    • Buffalo Bill
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      • Jun 2008
      • 6005
      • New Buffalo, Michigan 49117

      #17
      I took a ride and because the issue is predictable, I can manage it. If I do not do any hard accelerations, it will run normally.
      I'll buy a used CDI from ebay, seems I've been working around issue.
      It feels like the ignition is not advancing the spark, or cutting out 2 cylinders.
      One last thing, I'll clean the CDI connectors.
      1982 GS1100G-
      1990 GSX750/1127
      1987 Honda CBR600F Hurricane
      1985 Kawasaki GPz750

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      • chuck hahn
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        • May 2009
        • 25918
        • Norman, Oklahoma

        #18
        Have you pulled the timing plate and cleaned the governor and the crank end to be sure there isnt any sticking going on down there?????
        MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
        1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

        NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


        I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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        • Buffalo Bill
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          • Jun 2008
          • 6005
          • New Buffalo, Michigan 49117

          #19
          Yes Chuck, tested the sensor too. All good.
          It has electronic ignition, not points.
          I bought a used CDI box today, last thing to try.
          It acts just like an old car I had, new points and condenser fixed it.
          1982 GS1100G-
          1990 GSX750/1127
          1987 Honda CBR600F Hurricane
          1985 Kawasaki GPz750

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          • ukjules
            Forum Sage
            • Jan 2015
            • 1225
            • Somerset, UK

            #20
            Im late to this thread but will add things that happened to me with similar issues:
            As I absolutely know you know what you are talking about so i reckon this is a simple thing you will have
            overlooked.


            - Is it fuel line kinking ? This for me produced the same issues as you are experiencing !
            - Is it petrol vacuum line kinking to carbs ?
            - The connection from the pickups to the coils (usually a plastic connector box) might be loose.
            On one of my bikes again it produced exactly the same issue you are experiencing.
            simply wiggling this when the hesitation started made it go away.
            A new box and connectors solved the issue.
            UKJULES
            ---------------------------------
            Owner of following bikes:
            1980 Suzuki GS550ET
            1977 Yamaha RD 250D
            1982 Kawasaki GPZ 750 R1
            1980 Suzuki GSX 250E

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            • limeex2
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              • Dec 2012
              • 1498
              • Stillwater, Mn.

              #21
              Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
              Seems the most unlikely thing, but I will check that too.
              Tank bags can block fuel cap vents. Has happened to me before.
              Current Rides: 82 GS1100E, 00 Triumph 955 Speed Triple:twistedevil:, 03 Kawasaki ZRX1200, 01 Honda GL1800, '15 Kawasaki 1000 Versys
              Past Rides: 72 Honda SL-125, Kawasaki KE-175, 77 GS750 with total yosh stage 1 kit, 79 GS1000s, 80 GS1000S, 82 GS750e,82 GS1000S, 84 VF500f, 86 FZR600, 95 Triumph Sprint 900,96 Triumph Sprint, 97 Triumph Sprint, 01 Kawasaki ZRX1200, 07 Triumph Tiger 1050, 01 Yam YFZ250F
              Work in progress: 78 GS1000, unknown year GS1100ES

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              • Buffalo Bill
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                • Jun 2008
                • 6005
                • New Buffalo, Michigan 49117

                #22
                OK, finally found the issue: bad 2-3 coil. Seems good until hot, then bum.
                Replaced it with a salvaged GS coil I bought a few years ago for a GS550. Same specs, different mounting configuration.
                Just did an hour test ride with a few hard accelerations, no return of the problem.
                All the other work I did and parts I replaced is for the good too, because they tested bad anyway.
                Case closed.
                1982 GS1100G-
                1990 GSX750/1127
                1987 Honda CBR600F Hurricane
                1985 Kawasaki GPz750

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