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  • mvalenti
    Forum Mentor
    • Nov 2009
    • 748
    • Haverhill, MA

    #1

    vm26 Pilot fuel screw adjust

    Maybe its old age creeping in.... I cleaned, rebuilt, and bench synched my carbs, and now I am in the process of tuning them on the bike. Having a hell of a time adjusting the pilot fuel screws.... I even made my own tool as I didnt have a short enough screw driver. How do you guys do it?
    -Mark
    Boston, MA
    Suck Squeeze Bang Blow..
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    1980 GS850G with 79 carbs.....
  • hannibal
    Forum Sage
    • Jun 2015
    • 1033
    • Washington DC

    #2
    Typically, you set the fuel screws off the bike and don't touch them again. Adjustments are made with the side mounted air screws.
    Jordan

    1977 Suzuki GS750 (My first bike)
    2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
    1973 BMW R75/5

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    • chuck hahn
      Forum LongTimer
      Past Site Supporter
      • May 2009
      • 25951
      • Norman, Oklahoma

      #3
      Nearly every seyt of VMs I have taken apart had the bottom pilot screws at around 3/4 turn out from gently seated....which was a tad lean from the factory. I just richen them up a tad and set them at 7/8 and walk away. Fine tune the fuel air mix with the side mixture screws. Typically they are called "air screws" as they meter the amount of air in the mixture. Turning them IN will cut the air down and RICHEN he mixture. OUT will add air a lean out the mixture.
      MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
      1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

      NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


      I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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      • mvalenti
        Forum Mentor
        • Nov 2009
        • 748
        • Haverhill, MA

        #4
        Thanks all. I will pull the carbs off tonight and bench adjust to 7/8. Getting quite a bit of popping thru #1 last night and noticed (I must have missed it on the bench) it was " a bunch of turns out" from seated...
        -Mark
        Boston, MA
        Suck Squeeze Bang Blow..
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        1980 GS850G with 79 carbs.....

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        • mvalenti
          Forum Mentor
          • Nov 2009
          • 748
          • Haverhill, MA

          #5
          Chuck, the air screws, IIRC, start out at 1.5 turns out and then adjust per the high idle method? Follow up with a vac sync.
          -Mark
          Boston, MA
          Suck Squeeze Bang Blow..
          sigpic
          1980 GS850G with 79 carbs.....

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          • chuck hahn
            Forum LongTimer
            Past Site Supporter
            • May 2009
            • 25951
            • Norman, Oklahoma

            #6
            1 1/2 to 2 is a good start point. I dont high ilde method them. I use my colortune and then do a test ride under load. I adjust the flame color just past the spot where it shows a rich condition and micro adjust from there.
            MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
            1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

            NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


            I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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            • mvalenti
              Forum Mentor
              • Nov 2009
              • 748
              • Haverhill, MA

              #7
              Thanks! so that colortune is worth it? Been debating on getting one for some time..
              -Mark
              Boston, MA
              Suck Squeeze Bang Blow..
              sigpic
              1980 GS850G with 79 carbs.....

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              • chuck hahn
                Forum LongTimer
                Past Site Supporter
                • May 2009
                • 25951
                • Norman, Oklahoma

                #8
                Good for VMs mostly. CVs not so good except to see when the mixture screws turn on and off the fuel at idle. Will also show if a CV carbs are rich when on the main circuit around normal crusing RPMs.
                MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                • mvalenti
                  Forum Mentor
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 748
                  • Haverhill, MA

                  #9
                  Excellent. Will be making a purchase this week, quite a price swing from various online outlets.
                  -Mark
                  Boston, MA
                  Suck Squeeze Bang Blow..
                  sigpic
                  1980 GS850G with 79 carbs.....

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                  • Guest

                    #10
                    Make sure you get the new color tune version. The older one doesn’t have anything on the center of the plug to keep it from arcing across the glass. The newer model has a cover that looks like the porcelain on a regular spark plug in the center.

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                    • 49er
                      Forum Sage
                      Past Site Supporter
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 1517
                      • Napier, New Zealand

                      #11
                      Good to hear there is an improved version for the CT.
                      Our Suzuki speced VM 26 carbs are very lean tuned from the facory. It appears the Kawasaki versions have a thicker tipped fuel screw, which allow a richer setting for idle and transition to the needle. Z1 Enterprises used to carry these screws and they work well on our 850 engines. Their slotted heads are longer than the Suzuki spec screws and extend further out of the bowl casting. I fashioned an adjusting tool out of a piece of hacksaw blade, 30mm long. Made a short narrow blade to fit the screw slot with enough left to grip between 2 fingers. You can adjust 1,2 & 4 carbs with ease, but #3 is a bit fiddly getting access along side the chain tensioner.
                      Some carbs get butchered by PO's trying to free broken fuel screw tips. The carb damage around the screw means you can't rely on the factory settings. Also, when you go with the thicker tipped screws, you need to be able to adjust them on the bike. I set my Kawasaki screws at 7/8 off seat. I needed to lean them further. An infared exhaust gas temperature gun works well for comfirming your fuel screw settings at idle. Just aim the red dot at each header pipe 25mm below the pipe flange. The temps should all be within 20 deg C of each other. If your air screws are all within cooee of each other and one pipe temp is significantly lower than the others, a leaner setting is required to that carbs fuel screw.
                      Our engines cold start easier, and transition better with these Kwaka fuel screws.
                      :) The road to hell is paved with good intentions......................................

                      GS 850GN JE 894 10.5-1 pistons, Barnett Clutch, C-W 4-1, B-B MPD Ignition, Progressive suspension, Sport Demons. Sold
                      GS 850GT JE 1023 11-1 pistons. Sold
                      GS1150ES3 stock, V&H 4-1. Sold
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                      • mvalenti
                        Forum Mentor
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 748
                        • Haverhill, MA

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mattd1205
                        Make sure you get the new color tune version. The older one doesn?t have anything on the center of the plug to keep it from arcing across the glass. The newer model has a cover that looks like the porcelain on a regular spark plug in the center.
                        got a p/n for that new style? just want to be sure of what I'm getting. Thanks!
                        -Mark
                        Boston, MA
                        Suck Squeeze Bang Blow..
                        sigpic
                        1980 GS850G with 79 carbs.....

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                        • mvalenti
                          Forum Mentor
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 748
                          • Haverhill, MA

                          #13
                          Tooknit forma ride today ran like crap. Came home and pulled plugs... i have not purchased colortune.

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                          -Mark
                          Boston, MA
                          Suck Squeeze Bang Blow..
                          sigpic
                          1980 GS850G with 79 carbs.....

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                          • mvalenti
                            Forum Mentor
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 748
                            • Haverhill, MA

                            #14
                            Sorry for the spelling mistakes.. i took the bike for a ride today. Didnt run well. Bogged when pulling away from a stop. Surging while riding. Poor acceleration. Popping on #2 at decel.

                            Just did valve shims. Cleaned carbs (soaked) each one overnight. Blew out with compressed air, chased ports with thin wire. New orings in carbs and intake manifolds. Going back into garage and going to adjust 2 and 3 as they look like they are running rich.
                            -Mark
                            Boston, MA
                            Suck Squeeze Bang Blow..
                            sigpic
                            1980 GS850G with 79 carbs.....

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