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  • GS750
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    • Jun 2010
    • 189
    • Wide Bay, QLD Australia

    #1

    how many alternator amps??

    Just a quick question whilst I locate my workshop manual, does anyone know how many AMPS the standard GS750B alternator and shindengen rectifier puts out please??
    Regards,
    Andy
    Queensland Australia

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    GS750B (1977)
    Wiseco 850 kit, K&N pods, 4-1 transac, Custom 2 pak paint, IKON shocks, Custom L.E.D light boards (turn + stop/tail + dash)
  • koolaid_kid

    #2
    14AH
    more words added.

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    • tom203
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      • Aug 2010
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      • Norway,Maine

      #3
      Originally posted by GS750
      Just a quick question whilst I locate my workshop manual, does anyone know how many AMPS the standard GS750B alternator and shindengen rectifier puts out please??
      Assuming a 200 watt stator output, figure 9 amps for each of three stator wires- this would let the R/R send 15 amps of DC current into harness.
      1981 gs650L

      "We are all born ignorant, but you have to work hard to stay stupid" Ben Franklin

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      • posplayr
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        #4
        Originally posted by tom203
        Assuming a 200 watt stator output, figure 9 amps for each of three stator wires- this would let the R/R send 15 amps of DC current into harness.
        I have measured about 14 amps on my bike (GS1100E). It is load dependent as well as much as a function of the stator and R/R (measured at the R/R output).

        And please nobody start trying to do 3 phase calculations

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        • koolaid_kid

          #5
          The Factory Service Manual says 14AH. That is where I got the info. I'm just sayin'.

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          • posplayr
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            #6
            Originally posted by koolaid_kid
            The Factory Service Manual says 14AH. That is where I got the info. I'm just sayin'.
            AH stands for amp hours; that is a measure of battery capacity. It will produce 14 amps for 1 hour (subject to some voltage tolerance)

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            • GS750
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              • Jun 2010
              • 189
              • Wide Bay, QLD Australia

              #7
              Thanks for the replies everyone, I figured it was around 13-16 amps

              I am just playing around with some custom wiring looms at the moment and I wanted to make sure I dont under (or over) estimate my needs.

              I am installing a dual relay to the high and low headlight beams but I have also converted my instruments and indicators + stop/tail lights to custom made LED board's as well

              Just wanted to be certain
              Regards,
              Andy
              Queensland Australia

              http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o...h_PIC00011.jpg
              GS750B (1977)
              Wiseco 850 kit, K&N pods, 4-1 transac, Custom 2 pak paint, IKON shocks, Custom L.E.D light boards (turn + stop/tail + dash)

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              • trippivot
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                • Aug 2006
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                • Des Moines , IA

                #8
                with an operating rectifier regulator I doubt you ever see more than 7 D.C.Amps peak right after electric starting and then it will taper off to 3~5 as the battery resaturates.
                SUZUKI , There is no substitute

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                • posplayr
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by trippivot
                  with an operating rectifier regulator I doubt you ever see more than 7 D.C.Amps peak right after electric starting and then it will taper off to 3~5 as the battery resaturates.
                  You can be a doubting thomas, but I have posted the current clamp measurements and 14 amps at 5K RPM is about right. 11 amps at idle.

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                  • tom203
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                    • Norway,Maine

                    #10
                    Originally posted by posplayr
                    You can be a doubting thomas, but I have posted the current clamp measurements and 14 amps at 5K RPM is about right. 11 amps at idle.
                    Actually, I am the doubting thomas. 15 amps per stator lead seems very high- Are clamp on meters accurate at 400 cycles frequency? According to Mr. Tesla, P = 1.732 I V ( where I is line current, V is voltage between stator leads, and P is power), so your stator is pushing out about 350 watts if you have 15 amps and 14 volts? double wow!
                    1981 gs650L

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                    • posplayr
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by tom203
                      Actually, I am the doubting thomas. 15 amps per stator lead seems very high- Are clamp on meters accurate at 400 cycles frequency? According to Mr. Tesla, P = 1.732 I V ( where I is line current, V is voltage between stator leads, and P is power), so your stator is pushing out about 350 watts if you have 15 amps and 14 volts? double wow!
                      I can see why you have your doubts, this stuff can be very confusing.

                      You should remember the KISS principle.

                      14 amps DC at 14.5V is 203 watts. no sqrt(3) required

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                      • GS750
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                        • Jun 2010
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                        • Wide Bay, QLD Australia

                        #12
                        Interesting article I just found:

                        Regards,
                        Andy
                        Queensland Australia

                        http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o...h_PIC00011.jpg
                        GS750B (1977)
                        Wiseco 850 kit, K&N pods, 4-1 transac, Custom 2 pak paint, IKON shocks, Custom L.E.D light boards (turn + stop/tail + dash)

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                        • tom203
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by posplayr
                          I can see why you have your doubts, this stuff can be very confusing.

                          You should remember the KISS principle.

                          14 amps DC at 14.5V is 203 watts. no sqrt(3) required
                          Yeah, but at that DC output, the effective AC current in a 3-phase alternator is 8 amps - this is what one would measure if they stuck an meter on any of the 3 stator outputs. This is why 3 phase is so predominant- the overlap of the phases delivers power effficiently with less bulk.
                          1981 gs650L

                          "We are all born ignorant, but you have to work hard to stay stupid" Ben Franklin

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                          • trippivot
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                            #14
                            boy O boy

                            Doubting Thomas? LOL!


                            LMAO 11 ampres at idle?? I can smell your battery cooking from here


                            What and how -- exactly --are you measuring this electrical value?
                            SUZUKI , There is no substitute

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                            • posplayr
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by trippivot
                              Doubting Thomas? LOL!


                              LMAO 11 ampres at idle?? I can smell your battery cooking from here


                              What and how -- exactly --are you measuring this electrical value?
                              current clamp at the red output leg of the R/R. That measures total current out to the electrical as well as the battery.

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                              Last edited by posplayr; 09-14-2011, 12:54 PM.

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