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  • jock

    #1

    Dunstall GS750 eating spark plugs

    Hi there - I have a problem with my 1981 Dunstall GS750. It runs dyna ignition, Accel coils and HT leads and gets through NGK B8ES (also tried BR8ES) plugs at a fair old rate. The problem starts with the engine running on 3 or less cylinders and its always an arcing or weak spark plug to blame, fitting new standard plugs always cures it and it runs like a good un for a while. The engine was tuned from new at the Dunstall factory and is fitted with 29mm Mikunis from VBS (Pip Highams tuning shop in Manchester) and higher compression ratio. It goes like stink when its sparking properly.

    Is it possible that the standard plugs aren't up to the tuned ignition / engine ? Can you recommend a higher rated plug that will work better ??

    Thanks in advance for your help

    Cheers
  • hampshirehog
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    • Oct 2007
    • 12675
    • Hampshire. UK

    #2
    Hi Jock. Is every thing set up right: ignition timing, valve timing, carb settings (plug colour) etc.

    And what do the plugs look like? Are they burned away etc?

    Oh - and are the valve clearances OK? They can throw things.
    79 GS1000S
    79 GS1000S (another one)
    80 GSX750
    80 GS550
    80 CB650 cafe racer
    75 PC50 - the one with OHV and pedals...
    75 TS100 - being ridden (suicidally) by my father

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    • srsupertrap
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      • Oct 2007
      • 2208
      • Erie, CO.

      #3
      I think spark plugs are merely a symptom of something else which is likely wrong

      1) Dyna Coils? Do they have the correct resistance . . . Verify by measuring with a DMM ( I believe 3 Ohm is correct)
      2) Any mods done to the wiring harness leading to the coils . . . Ballast resistor or some other mod
      3) HT Leads? Swap existing wires with another set . . . problem perist?

      Cheers
      Last edited by srsupertrap; 12-12-2011, 02:34 PM.
      Steve

      1979 GS1000E (45 Yrs), 1981 GPz550 (11 Yrs)

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      • tom203
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        • Aug 2010
        • 8925
        • Norway,Maine

        #4
        Originally posted by srsupertrap
        I think spark plugs are merely a symptom of something else which is likely wrong

        1) Dyna Coils? Do they have the correct resistance . . . Verify by measuring with a DMM ( I believe 3 Ohm is correct)
        2) Any mods done to the wiring harness leading to the coils . . . Ballast resistor or some other mod
        3) HT Leads? Swap existing wires with another set . . . problem perist?

        Cheers
        How about high compression and low octane gas!
        1981 gs650L

        "We are all born ignorant, but you have to work hard to stay stupid" Ben Franklin

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        • Guest

          #5
          Are the plugs fouled?

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          • Guest

            #6
            Forget the plugs .
            I'm chasing a pitcha of yer bike .
            A Dunstall GS has got to be very unique .

            Cheers , Simon .

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            • Guest

              #7
              I'm with Simon I want to see PICS

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              • jock

                #8
                Dunstall GS750

                Thanks to everyone for the advice. To answer a few of the questions - the valve shims are all in tolerance, the faulty plug always looks normal and isn't burned away at all, the carbs run k&N pods and are balanced (it ticks over at 1000 perfectly). I will check on the other points like coil leads and the Dyna settings over the weekend and report back.

                I have created an album to try and show you guys some pictures of the bike but it wont allow uploads - just keeps saying "upload failed". I have contacted the administator to try and figure it out.
                Its a beauty in its Heron colours and pretty rare - I dont think Dunstall made many GS750s cos the Dunstall GS1000CS came in and stole its thunder. I,ve seen a few Dunstall GT750 Kettles about but no other GS750s.

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                • hampshirehog
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                  • Oct 2007
                  • 12675
                  • Hampshire. UK

                  #9
                  If she's all on pat then it's probably worth putting some colder plugs in there - NGK B9ES or Champion N2 - and see what happens. If she starts fouling plugs then that's not the answer.
                  79 GS1000S
                  79 GS1000S (another one)
                  80 GSX750
                  80 GS550
                  80 CB650 cafe racer
                  75 PC50 - the one with OHV and pedals...
                  75 TS100 - being ridden (suicidally) by my father

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                  • Don-lo

                    #10
                    Which plug is it? I would switch the plug leads with it's mate (1-4, or 2-3) and see if the problem follows the plug lead. If so, then that wire is bad. I have also seen wires arcing to the frame, so rule that out too. One other possibility would be a twisted crank, if 1 or 4 is the problem.

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                    • Suzuki_Don

                      #11
                      A test you can do is when a plug is not sparking hold it about an 1/8th" off the cylinder head and see if the spark jumps from the plug body to the head. If it does then get back to us with the results.

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                      • Big T
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                        • Mar 2005
                        • 12391
                        • West Slope, OR

                        #12
                        Start with the basics

                        12V or better power to the coils?

                        Swap leads as suggested

                        Do you have the HT leads with yellow wires/red boots? One of mine fried itself at the boot, had to pull the boot and cut the wire back to a clean surface, 30 years of arcing there can play hell with that crimp fitting
                        1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                        1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                        1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                        1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                        1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                        1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                        2007 DRz 400S
                        1999 ATK 490ES
                        1994 DR 350SES

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                        • Billy Ricks

                          #13
                          Here's a photo of a Dunstall Kettle I found.



                          And a GS750.

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                          • jock

                            #14
                            Thanks to everyone for the input - I'll put in some garage time at the weekend and report back (I'm fitting spoked wheels at the same time cos I think they look better than the alloys - just had them rebuilt with stainless rims and spokes). Still can't upload photos

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                            • hampshirehog
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                              • Oct 2007
                              • 12675
                              • Hampshire. UK

                              #15
                              Originally posted by jock
                              Thanks to everyone for the input - I'll put in some garage time at the weekend and report back (I'm fitting spoked wheels at the same time cos I think they look better than the alloys - just had them rebuilt with stainless rims and spokes). Still can't upload photos
                              Keep your garage locked Jock. Although I'm a long way south I'm still tempted to come up and pinch those wheels..... You can't beat a GS with spoked wheels.
                              79 GS1000S
                              79 GS1000S (another one)
                              80 GSX750
                              80 GS550
                              80 CB650 cafe racer
                              75 PC50 - the one with OHV and pedals...
                              75 TS100 - being ridden (suicidally) by my father

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