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  • Swim_fan02

    #16
    Originally posted by tkent02
    OK I just looked at a crankshaft on Ebay, one piston is up while the other is down. They cannot be fired at the same time. That is why they have two coils instead of one coil and a wasted spark system.
    Ok so when I double check the timing again and if everything there is right what component would cause the coils to fire at the wrong time?

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    • posplayr
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      #17
      Originally posted by Swim_fan02
      Ok so when I double check the timing again and if everything there is right what component would cause the coils to fire at the wrong time?
      If you swapped the coil primary wires W and b/y (IIRC)

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      • tkent02
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        #18
        Just try swapping the spark plug wires.
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        • posplayr
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          #19
          Originally posted by tkent02
          Just try swapping the spark plug wires.
          true, but he probably has those right and the others wrong.

          Trying to teach him two wrongs make a right?

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          • tkent02
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            #20
            He said the coil connectors only go one way, like the other GSes. I was thinking some PO switched something around somewhere, and put plug wire one on plug two and wire two on plug one to make it run right. Now Mr. Swim fan puts them on correctly and it doesn't run any more. Dunno what else could have gotten switched like that. Some other connector maybe. Somehow something got switched.

            Swapping plug wires would just be a temporary test. He can find the true problem later.
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            • tom203
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              #21
              [QUOTE=tkent02;2029495

              Swapping plug wires would just be a temporary test. He can find the true problem later.[/QUOTE]

              But he's adamant (maybe overly) that he didn't switch stuff doing his painting (see other post); two wrongs might cancel, but three...?

              And what happenned to "drive fast, you might need to be good at it someday" ?
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              • Swim_fan02

                #22
                I have the full wiring diagram and reviewed it extensively and the coils are wired in properly. I made sure of that because that's another thing I wanted to accomplish while the bike was apart, was to make sure there was no "jimmy rigged" wiring anywhere. Surprisingly everything was wired properly.

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                • posplayr
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Swim_fan02
                  I have the full wiring diagram and reviewed it extensively and the coils are wired in properly. I made sure of that because that's another thing I wanted to accomplish while the bike was apart, was to make sure there was no "jimmy rigged" wiring anywhere. Surprisingly everything was wired properly.
                  News flash, "If it doesn't run, then something is wrong"

                  Do you know how to static time?

                  Try it.

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                  • tkent02
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Swim_fan02
                    Surprisingly everything was wired properly.
                    Almost everything maybe.

                    Could the signal generators be swapped on the ignition plate? Could you have gotten cylinder #1 and cylinder #2 mixed up? Ryxdixia is a bitch.
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                    • posplayr
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by tkent02
                      Almost everything maybe.

                      Could the signal generators be swapped on the ignition plate? Could you have gotten cylinder #1 and cylinder #2 mixed up? Ryxdixia is a bitch.
                      Maybe swapped valve stem covers......

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                      • Swim_fan02

                        #26
                        Well good news guys. I got her started. I went through the wiring AGAIN and found that the coils were wired opposite. Lol. Flipped them around and started right up. Now that she is started I took her for a little ride and came back to adjust the idle screw and when it seems that I got it dialed in I blip the throttle and it revs really high and holds there till I back off the idle screw and when I do that she stalls out. Any ideas?

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                        • tom203
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                          #27
                          Why am I not surprised? Anyways, your "hanging" idle is very likely due to intake leak- maybe leaky boots, bad o-rings at head interface, missing o-rings on idle mixture screws
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                          • Swim_fan02

                            #28
                            I know I was adamant on it being right. I apologize for my stubbornness. Where should my idle screws be at? I wanna say its 2-1/2 turns. Is that right? Thanks everybody for all the help and advice.

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                            • tom203
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                              #29
                              2-1/2 turns is in ballpark. IIRC ,You put new boots on -the ones on engine side ?? how about the o-ring at boot/head interface? It doesn't take much of a leak to cause hanging idle.
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                              • Swim_fan02

                                #30
                                Originally posted by tom203
                                2-1/2 turns is in ballpark. IIRC ,You put new boots on -the ones on engine side ?? how about the o-ring at boot/head interface? It doesn't take much of a leak to cause hanging idle.
                                I put new boots in last year. I'll check those to make sure they are seated properly. I did notice tho when I was trying to adjust the mixture screws that when I seated them (lightly seated) the engine didn't sputter or die.

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