Concensus on eliminating Phillips-head bolts?

[WilliamGLX81]

Sorry, but I have NO idea what you are talking about.








That would probably be because none of the fasteners on the bike are Phillips.

They are all JIS.

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Holy moly. Looks like you chromed your engine covers! Mine are aluminum.

JIS? Is that the same as crosspoint? I tried some crosspoint bits and they were way off.

[boingk]

Another big vote for stainless allen-heads.

I replaced my last GS850's carb bolts with them as the old ones needed slotting with a dremel just so I could take them out with a regular blade screwdriver... needless to say I wasn't putting them back in like that.

- boingk

[boingk]

There you go:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-VESSEL-JIS-900-MEGADORA-2-PC-SCREWDRIVER-KIT-SCREW-DRIVER-/111100034642?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item19de13fe52

[Guest]

Everybody's engines look so shiney, it makes me feel like I neglect my poor bike! Poor thing is all bedraggled looking.

A lot of us like "nice and shiny" but it's what's inside the engine that really counts .

I think the only Phillips heads I've still got on my 'S are on the cam end covers .

Cheers , Simon .

[WilliamGLX81]

A lot of us like "nice and shiny" but it's what's inside the engine that really counts .

I think the only Phillips heads I've still got on my 'S are on the cam end covers .

Cheers , Simon .

So.... you're saying I should disassemble my engine and polish its wrist pins? And that's true. It's my philosophy on my volvo: I'll keep it mechanically sound. I'll worry about the appearance when I can afford to.

[hardline_42]

I'm surprised that only a few posts have mentioned JIS. None of the screws on these bikes are Phillips, as far as I know. JIS screws might look like Phillips, but using a Phillips driver will strip them in short order. McMaster Carr sells a JIS driver kit (#1, #2 and #3) made by Vessel for about $30 and are perfect for anyone working on old Japanese bikes (or cars). Normal Phillips impact drivers also tend to have stubby bit tips which fit JIS fasteners better than standard drivers.

That being said, Allen fasteners have the benefit of requiring easily packable hex keys that can get into tight spots, so I use them wherever I can.

[Dogma]

A lot of us like "nice and shiny" but it's what's inside the engine that really counts .

I think the only Phillips heads I've still got on my 'S are on the cam end covers .

Cheers , Simon .

+1 to all of that. Socket heads on the cam end covers strip too easily.

[boingk]

I link the very set you mention in my post on page two. About 20 something bucks on eBay.

- boingk

[Dogma]

Holy moly. Looks like you chromed your engine covers! Mine are aluminum.

JIS? Is that the same as crosspoint? I tried some crosspoint bits and they were way off.

JIS is the Japanese standard that looks like the Philips standard (often called cross-point) used here. The impact driver has a secondary effect of mashing the head hard enough to reshape it fit a #2 Philips bit. Replace it with a socket head anyway.

Steve's pics are (almost) a lie. I've seen that bike look that pretty, and I've seen it after a few thousand mile trips. Last I saw it, it looked like an oily mess of a top end rebuild (oil leaks).

Polishing isn't necessary, but excessive grime does inhibit cooling.

[Steve]

I link the very set you mention in my post on page two.

We are only half-way down on page ONE now.

You can go in to the User CP section and set your preferences to show 40 posts per page.
Saves a LOT of page-flipping on longer threads.

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[hardline_42]

I link the very set you mention in my post on page two. About 20 something bucks on eBay.

- boingk

Sorry, I missed that link. They all tend to run about ten bucks each, depending on the source. Another place to get JIS stuff is JDV Products. They have a good selection of standard JIS drivers and high quality impact drivers.

[Kiwi Canuck]

I choose to stay with OEM JIS screws

I am rebuilding a GS1000S and needed to decide on Allen Head screws, or staying with the OEM screws which as mentioned previously are JIS.
Once I purchased these it was an easy decision to stay with the factory OEM screws.
On my 2012 Vstrom I fitted SW Mototech equipment which came with Allen Head screws and bolts, not really impressed, as some of them started to round out the 2nd time I removed and reinstalled them.



I also have some German Made Wera drivers which are good but not quite as tight fitting as the Vessel drivers.

http://www.jdvproducts.com/hand-tools/screwdrivers/megadora/900-series/flypage.tpl.html

[Steve]

Holy moly. Looks like you chromed your engine covers! Mine are aluminum.

Well, those are HER covers, and they are aluminum, too.
Click the links in my sig, you can see the rest of the bikes in the stable.

The valve covers on my Wing are chromed, so I did not have to do anything there.
The covers on my 850 have not yet been addressed, but will be in another month or three.

Then, ... LOOK OUT!

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