T.E.L. to help protect valves from regressing.

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  • rustybronco
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    T.E.L. to help protect valves from regressing.

    http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/valves.htm

    About 3 or 4 ounces of aviation leaded gasoline, in the commonly available grade called 100LL (100 octane Low Lead) is needed per gallon of UNleaded car gas, for good protection on the 1979 and earlier airheads. On a practical basis, less than this amount seems OK, and many have had good results by simply adding a cupful (a cup is 8 ounces officially, but in practice is 5-8 ounces) every few tank fillups. NOTE that this usage for road vehicles is illegal in the U.S. Still, many who have lawnmowers, etc., with old type seats, add a small amount of aviation fuel to their tanks.


    For those wishing more exacting information, aviation fuels containing either 4 or 8 grams of tetraethyl lead per gallon are, or were, common. Leaded fuel for airplanes was typically available in 87 octane, and low and high leaded 100 octane. Today, only 100LL is likely to be found at airports. It is commonly accepted that approximately 0.1 gram (some say up to 0.3 for high protection) of tetraethyl lead per gallon is enough to provide reasonable valve seat protection. This is FAR LESS than the amount required to boost octane any appreciable amount. Using the 4 gm/gal specification type of aviation gas (100 LL), only .025 gallon of aviation gas is needed per gallon of unleaded car gas. A gallon is 128 ounces (U.S. measure). Thus, only 3-1/4th ounces of aviation gas per gallon of unleaded car gas is required for acceptable protection. Frankly, less is needed, as aviation piston engines normally work very much harder than our airheads.
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  • tkent02
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    #2
    I melted my spark plugs down to little nubs doing that a long time ago.
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    • rustybronco
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      Adding 100LL in small amounts to unleaded fuel caused your spark plugs to wear at an advanced rate?

      That doesn't make sense.
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      • Dogma
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        #4
        Adjusting valves isn't that big of a hassle is it? Maybe on the Beemer?
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        • tatu
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          #5
          Originally posted by Dogma
          Adjusting valves isn't that big of a hassle is it? Maybe on the Beemer?
          It is a problem every couple of hundred miles having to do tappets because of valves tightening up, I had that on my T140.
          I used an additive still was a problem....




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          • tkent02
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            #6
            Originally posted by rustybronco
            Adding 100LL in small amounts to unleaded fuel caused your spark plugs to wear at an advanced rate?

            That doesn't make sense.
            No they didn't wear, they melted in about an hour or two. Avgas is different, it is a naptha based fuel, which burns a lot hotter. I tried to save a few bucks by pouring the fuel from the coffee cans used for airplanes to drip their overflow into, so I'd pour a little into the bike. Maybe a cup or two. Maybe more. Certainly much less than a gallon. Couple hours later the bike is missing badly, pulled a spark plug and it was just a little nub. No electrodes left at all. All four were like that. New plugs, new gas, had no further problems for years and years. This on a nearly new 1977 GS 550, back in 1978.
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            • tkent02
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              #7
              Originally posted by Dogma
              Adjusting valves isn't that big of a hassle is it? Maybe on the Beemer?
              Super easy to adjust valves on Beemers.
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              • rustybronco
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                #8


                Especially read pages 11 and 12.
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                • tkent02
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by rustybronco
                  They pretty much say don't worry about it.

                  Kind of like we've been doing.
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                  • gearhead13

                    #10
                    I used to run avgas in my hod rod car, sometimes almost a full tank. Never had a problem. I was young and thought that more octane meant more horsepower. It had almost 11-1 compression.

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                    • tkent02
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                      #11
                      Yeah it was fine in my Barracuda, too but not in the bike. I don't know why.
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                      • chuck hahn
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                        #12
                        Ahhh Maybe at a ratio of a cup or more, as you described it was too hot???

                        They did say about 4 to 8 ounces ( or something like that ) per tank full.
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                        • chuck hahn
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                          #13
                          some additives.....

                          MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                          1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                          NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                          I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                          • rustybronco
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by tkent02
                            They pretty much say don't worry about it.

                            Kind of like we've been doing.
                            Looks like that's the case for the bikes coming out of Japan. Unfortunately there are other machines made pre '74 and those bikes made elsewhere such as Europe.
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                            • tkent02
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                              #15
                              There are lead substitutes that won't burn up spark plugs.
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