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  • Grimly
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    • Sep 2012
    • 5761
    • Ireland

    #16
    Originally posted by ddaniels
    I have the tool and have used it....and hate it. PIA as 'Sconsin said. Zip tie is much easier.
    Ditto. I even bought the proper tool, after discovering they had come down a lot in price (they used to be only available from some specialist sources at outrageous prices) but there's a severe design flaw in it, which makes the zip-tie method much more reliable and simply easier.
    Dave
    '79 GS850GN '80 GS850GT
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    • jsandidge
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      • Jun 2013
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      • Norfolk, Virginia

      #17
      I'll have to try the zip tie method next time. The tool really is a pita.
      https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9zH8w8Civs8ejBJWjdvYi1LNTg&resourcekey=0-hlJp0Yc4K_VN9g7Jyy4KQg&authuser=fussbucket_1%40msn.com&usp=drive_fs
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      • Rijko
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        • Feb 2014
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        #18
        I have tried 2 non-OEM tools because of the outrageous prices of
        the OEM ones and found them not hardened enough.
        They wore/damaged quickly and then slipped off, PIA indeed.

        Found a OEM 2nd hand one and never had that issue again.
        Love the original tool.
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        • Steve
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          • Jun 2005
          • 35924
          • southwest oHIo

          #19
          Originally posted by jsandidge
          I'll have to try the zip tie method next time. The tool really is a pita.
          I was in your neck of the woods last weekend, I could have shown you how to do it.

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          • Wingsconsin
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            • Jan 2013
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            #20
            Just sayin' ....

            I am due for another valve shim check soonish --
            I will make an effort to try the Zip tie thing (again) -
            IF it works for me - I will state as such publicly -- however I am getting pretty good at making that stupid tool work too...

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            • 2BRacing
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              • Jan 2009
              • 796
              • Onrus, near Hermanus, South Africa

              #21
              Originally posted by Rijko
              I have tried 2 non-OEM tools because of the outrageous prices of
              the OEM ones and found them not hardened enough.
              They wore/damaged quickly and then slipped off, PIA indeed.

              Found a OEM 2nd hand one and never had that issue again.
              Love the original tool.
              I have the genuine OEM tool (black in colour, not silver) and have used it multiple times on 650 and 850 motors over the past 38 years, without it EVER slipping off. I can only assume that the dimensions and/or shape of the non-genuine tool must be ever so slightly "different", allowing it to slip off.
              1981 GS850G "Blue Magic" (Bike Of The Month April 2009)

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              • TeamDar
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                • Nov 2008
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                • St. Louis, MO

                #22
                Originally posted by 2BRacing
                I have the genuine OEM tool (black in colour, not silver) and have used it multiple times on 650 and 850 motors over the past 38 years, without it EVER slipping off. I can only assume that the dimensions and/or shape of the non-genuine tool must be ever so slightly "different", allowing it to slip off.
                This is the key! You need the factory tool. I have never had one slip off and I worked as a service technician at a Suzuki dealership 30 years ago when I did several valve adjustments a week. The proper tool and the proper procedure will have good results. If you would rather stick zip ties in your cylinders then do it that way. Then again, I know how to use screw extractors and helicoils without mucking up. Dar

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                • timebombprod
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                  • Nov 2019
                  • 1666
                  • spring hill florida

                  #23
                  i now swear by the ziptie method
                  Ian

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                  • jsandidge
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                    • Jun 2013
                    • 1482
                    • Norfolk, Virginia

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Steve
                    I was in your neck of the woods last weekend, I could have shown you how to do it.

                    .
                    It would have been nice to see you again.
                    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9zH8w8Civs8ejBJWjdvYi1LNTg&resourcekey=0-hlJp0Yc4K_VN9g7Jyy4KQg&authuser=fussbucket_1%40msn.com&usp=drive_fs
                    1983 GS750ED-Horsetraded for the Ironhead
                    1981 HD XLH

                    Drew's 850 L Restoration

                    Drew's 83 750E Project

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                    • Steve
                      GS Whisperer
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 35924
                      • southwest oHIo

                      #25
                      Thanks. It was a quick in-and-out for a funeral, so there wasn't a lot of time to socialize.

                      .
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                      mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                      hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                      #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                      #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
                      Family Portrait
                      Siblings and Spouses
                      Mom's first ride
                      Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
                      (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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                      • Brendan W
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                        • Jul 2013
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                        #26
                        The factory tool is a jack.
                        The zip tie is an axle stand.
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                        • ddaniels
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                          • Aug 2009
                          • 5590
                          • Dayton, OH

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Brendan W
                          The factory tool is a jack.
                          The zip tie is an axle stand.
                          Excellent description. My tool is silver so I guess I have an aftermarket one.
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