Wanted: Bad Igniters

[saddlewarmer]

I am in the process of seeing about repairing igniters. i have fixed one for a 82 tscc 750. it worked! i have looked over the igniters off of my 82 gs1100glz and the tscc. looks like they are repairable. i just need some bad ones to see if repair is possible.

[saddlewarmer]

see thread in ""gs motorcycle discussion area"...

I'm willing to look at them all. I've looked at a local junkyard and there are a couple of different ones. my idea is to see if they are fixable, at what cost, to try and help the members here. Most electronics have common failures associated with a device. The igniters i've looked at so far work on a similar principle as far as i can tell. The one that was damaged required a new transistor in a driver circuit. the cost of that transistor would probably be 1-2 dollars. Labor on my part to fix, i haven't figured that one out yet. just a project on my part to see if its worth it. Thanks.

[oldschoolorange]

The igniters you are fixing, I am guessing they are not the ones filled with epoxy? Is there anywhere you know of where I can find a circuit diagram for an igniter?

[TheCafeKid]

Ive never had one go bunk, but are you saying you can even fix the ones that give off the smoke of death? Or no? Cos if so, what a boon that would be for ALL old UJM owners!!

[saddlewarmer]

The igniters you are fixing, I am guessing they are not the ones filled with epoxy? Is there anywhere you know of where I can find a circuit diagram for an igniter?

i will try them all. i'm actually trying to draw a schematic from the board. will let you know more later.

[saddlewarmer]

Ive never had one go bunk, but are you saying you can even fix the ones that give off the smoke of death? Or no? Cos if so, what a boon that would be for ALL old UJM owners!!

don't know till i see one. At 400 a pop for ones i know of, hope i can get some fixed for people. In experimental stage of trying it right now. We'll see what happens!

[spyug]

Great idea Mr. Saddlewarmer. That service would be a boon to lots of GS owners.

There is a great guy named Dave Denowh in Ohio who tests and rebuilds TCI modules for XV Viragos and he charges out at $100 plus shipping. I think at a price like that you could make some cash and customers would be more than happy to pay. I know I would.

Keep us up to speed with the project and good luck with it. I'm rooting for you.\\/

cheers,
Spyug,

[saddlewarmer]

Great idea Mr. Saddlewarmer. That service would be a boon to lots of GS owners.

There is a great guy named Dave Denowh in Ohio who tests and rebuilds TCI modules for XV Viragos and he charges out at $100 plus shipping. I think at a price like that you could make some cash and customers would be more than happy to pay. I know I would.

Keep us up to speed with the project and good luck with it. I'm rooting for you.\\/

cheers,
Spyug,

I'm not trying to make a bunch of money on this. figure if it works, i'll charge for my time to fix plus parts. i know the feeling of needing to fix something and not having the money to do so because of the high cost of an item. hopefully, as some say, this is a way i can give back to the gsr.

[tone]

I dont know if this will be helpfull or not but its relevant i think

my 1100ef stopped dead exiting an island a week ago :shock: & after the recovery hassles, much swearing & sweating lifting it in to a van i finally got it home 8-[

When looking for the fault i found that if i moved the connection to the ignitor with the ignition on the tacho flicked very slightly so i popped the circuit board out & re soldered 2 joints that had fractured due to vibration i assume & she fired straight up \\/

thinking about this i realised this could have been an easy fix at the roadside, the moral is dont assume its shot just cos the bike stops sparking :-D

[Nessism]

Early Suzuki electronic ignitions use a mechanical advance, starting in 82 (I think) some bikes switched over to ignitor boxes that also controlled spark advance.

I'm generally a big fan of using stock parts where ever possible but in this case I think one could make a good case to upgrade from the stock ignitor/signal generator to a Dyna S ($120 from Z1) - particularly the early version with mechanical advance. At any rate, the cost had best come under this level or it wouldn't make a lot of sense to offer repair parts.

Sorry if this sounds like a negative, not my intention.

Good luck.

[saddlewarmer]

Early Suzuki electronic ignitions use a mechanical advance, starting in 82 (I think) some bikes switched over to ignitor boxes that also controlled spark advance.

I'm generally a big fan of using stock parts where ever possible but in this case I think one could make a good case to upgrade from the stock ignitor/signal generator to a Dyna S ($120 from Z1) - particularly the early version with mechanical advance. At any rate, the cost had best come under this level or it wouldn't make a lot of sense to offer repair parts.

Sorry if this sounds like a negative, not my intention.

Good luck.

not negative to me, just sounds like an available option to using an igniter. Didn't know about it myself. I want to keep the cost of repairing these reasonable, at least to me. I figure 50 -75 (including parts) from what i know right now. it may go lower (hope it does). i don't know until i learn more about the igniter boxes.

[oldschoolorange]

The circut drawup would be cool. I have some connections at a circut board manufacturer and will see what I can come up with. I don't think that they are all that complicated inside as you are just dealing with a few transistors. I will see if I can dig up some toasted ones and take a look at the insides

[saddlewarmer]

I'm waiting on a couple to get here from some members to check out. Not much to them and i suspect that they are easily rebuildable. the ones that provide the electronic advance might be the biggest problem to repair. we'll see what happens!

[saddlewarmer]

repairing will not be aproblem so far if i can get the schematic drawn. actually, the igniters are a simple device. I have one schematic almost drawn and parts list together.

[khrys771]

i believe my igniter from my 86 gs550es is bad. i will be willing to mail it to you for research purposes, i dont need it back. i think its an epoxied one.