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  • gsx1100

    #1

    low rpm cruise breakup

    I got an 83 gs 1100 that i just rejetted with a dyno jet kit for my vance and hines pipe. Bike starts , idles and runs smooth under full throttle, but when cruising at like 4 to 5k it breaks up and surges. Upon research correct me if im wrong adjusting the mixture screws will help this. There at 2.5 turns out now should i bring them in or out.
  • BassCliff

    #2
    Hi Mr gsx1100,

    Perhaps "shimming the needle" is what you need? See: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/...at_height.html


    Thank you for your indulgence,

    BassCliff

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    • gsx1100

      #3
      what if i have adjustable needles can i just richen it like that or is shimming like a half step up

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      • BassCliff

        #4
        Hi,

        Believe me, I'm no carb expert. This adjustment is known to help in the mid-range, which is where you seem to be stumbling. If you have adjustable slots for your needle clips then it couldn't hurt to experiment a bit. Use some extra, thinner washers to make adjustments between the slots.


        Thank you for your indulgence,

        BassCliff

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        • tejasmud

          #5
          Originally posted by gsx1100
          what if i have adjustable needles can i just richen it like that or is shimming like a half step up
          Yes, and Yes..

          Sounds like the mid range circut is running lean. But,

          Cruise and RPM measures can mean a few things as to which fuel circut is the problem child. It would be easier to go by throttle position. To do this is easy, just make a scale.

          Take a piece of masking tape and place it on your right control/kill/starter switch next to the grip. A stick pin can be pushed into the grip as an indicator, good placement would be close to the top on the grip next to the tape.

          Then make a mark on the tape with a pen at idle and full throttle positions. Then 1/2, 1/4 and 3/4 positions.

          The air screw will control most of the Idle up to the pilot jet both tend to blend into mid range, which is affected primarily by the slide needle/needle jet. A similar transition happens with the slide needle/needle jet and main jet.

          With the stock air box there should not be much to adjust.

          Then not to forget the pre-requsites here, boots/o-rings if equiped, sealed air box, and at least bench synchronized carburetors.

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          • posplayr
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            • Dec 2007
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            • Tucson Az

            #6
            DO STEP #1 FIRST
            DO STEP #1 FIRST
            MAINS MUST BE RIGHT SO THAT YOU CAN PULL HARD TO REDLINE THEn PROCEED TO NEXT STEP
            DO STEP #1 FIRST
            DO STEP #1 FIRST


            To properly tune, you MUST:
            1. Have selected the BEST main jet for full throttle power (not just a "good" main jet - we mean "the BEST main jet" for power at high rpm).
            That eliminates the common severe tweaking of the midrange and lower tuning ranges to compensate for a "wrong" main jet.

            On yea I forgot

            DO STEP #1 FIRST

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            • tejasmud

              #7
              LOL...

              Yes, Factory Pro has priceless information on their site. There are some other very good reads as well. Take time to browse the site.

              But, still Step #1 still requires that the pre-reqs are in check. Oh, and also including confidence in petcock operation, which is one of the pre-reqs I forgot to list.

              A main jet can be dialed in for the best power with an air leak.

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              • gsx1100

                #8
                The bike pulls real strong from a wide open throttle pass, with a bit of backfiring when deaccelerating. I just synched the carbs and it didn't help much. The only real problem is when taking off slowly from idle it breaks up around 3 to 4 k rpm. Im gonna try richening the needle and see if it helps.

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                • Guest

                  #9
                  How did you set the carbs up with the DJ kit?

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                  • gsx1100

                    #10
                    did all the steps for a stage 1 which would be 114 mains, stock pilots, lift hole drilled. needle on notch 3. Just changed the needle height to notch 4 runs 100% better so that was the problem.

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                    • Guest

                      #11
                      Get a set of 117.5 Mikuni main jets and put the needle back where it was.
                      I bet your plugs are white as snow with a wot throttle chop.

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