Tubeless or not to be tubeless?

[Nessism]

ok it may be physically possible to fit them but if the rim says "tubed tyres only" or "tubeless tyres only" i would be inclined to stick with what they say.
if anyone wqants to run the risk by interchanging then thats up to them.

You are being silly. The Suzuki tube type wheels don't say anything about "tube only". You can run tubeless tires on these wheels no problem, but a tube should be used inside the tire.

[Agemax]

You are being silly. The Suzuki tube type wheels don't say anything about "tube only". You can run tubeless tires on these wheels no problem, but a tube should be used inside the tire.

not being silly, just practical. would you use tubeless on a spoked wheel? NO.
the original question was can i use tubeless tyres on a tubed rim, answer NO........but he did not mention putting a tube in as well, that changes everything, although i still wouldnt risk it

[Rudeman]

There is nothing wrong with running tubes in a tubless tire. I've been doing it for 30 years. The two things that most definitively distinguish tube type from tubless type wheels is the bead retention characteristics (as Ed mentioned above) and the valve stem to rim sealing ability. Tube type cast wheels may be adapted to run tubeless tires but like 49er alluded to they will lose pressure more quickly and require closer monitoring. And as Ed mentioned they will not retain the tire in the event of a sudden loss of pressure.

Tube type tires of any decent quality are nearly impossible to find. I run tubeless tires with tubes and they work just fine.

BTW...I would and do run tubeless tires on spoked wheels but I run them with a tube. No brainer. No risks.

[Nessism]

not being silly, just practical. would you use tubeless on a spoked wheel? NO.
the original question was can i use tubeless tyres on a tubed rim, answer NO........but he did not mention putting a tube in as well, that changes everything, although i still wouldnt risk it

Yes, you can use tubeless tires on a tube type rim, you just need to install a tube inside. The information you provided is incorrect.

As for your comment... "i still wouldnt risk it", that's silly too. Avon recommends tubeless tires for use on our old GS bikes, as do all the other tire manufacturers do to. Again, you just need to fit a tube inside the "tubeless" tire. Do some research and you will quickly realize this is correct.

[Baatfam]

...would you use tubeless on a spoked wheel? NO.

I ran spoked rims without tubes on my drag bike for years, just sealed the inside of the rim/nipples with rtv....no problems even at 145mph...
I've also heard of this being done on street bikes successfully...

[Agemax]

Yes, you can use tubeless tires on a tube type rim, you just need to install a tube inside. The information you provided is incorrect.

As for your comment... "i still wouldnt risk it", that's silly too. Avon recommends tubeless tires for use on our old GS bikes, as do all the other tire manufacturers do to. Again, you just need to fit a tube inside the "tubeless" tire. Do some research and you will quickly realize this is correct.

read my post again nessism. i was under the impression he wanted to fit tubeless tyres on a tubed rim WITHOUT a tube. if fitted WITH a tube, then as stated that changes everything.
and i'm not silly

[Jason the terminator]

Running tubes inside tubeless tyres defeats the purpose. I believe that it also affects a tyres ability to reach its correct operating temperature at optimal running pressures.

Really? Do you know anything about tires?

Road temp, ambient air temp, humidity, vehicle weight, road surface, heat transfer through the rim from heavy braking all effect tire temp and pressure. Friction causes heat the heat cause the air to expand which makes pressures increase. From cold to hot tires can have up to a 12 pound swing increase in pressures. To be under the illusion that tires have a correct operating temp is ludicrous

[49er]

Really? Do you know anything about tires?

Road temp, ambient air temp, humidity, vehicle weight, road surface, heat transfer through the rim from heavy braking all effect tire temp and pressure. Friction causes heat the heat cause the air to expand which makes pressures increase. From cold to hot tires can have up to a 12 pound swing increase in pressures. To be under the illusion that tires have a correct operating temp is ludicrous

I'm not getting involved in a slagging session, I just offered my opinion from past experience.

If optimal/correct tyre pressures weren't important, motorsport competitors wouldn't check and reset their pressures between runs or in the case of rallying, between special stages. Did you know, that over inflated tyres reduce the contact patch? Of course you did! Amen, amen.

[Baatfam]

i was under the impression he wanted to fit tubeless tyres on a tubed rim WITHOUT a tube.

And if he does fit a tubeless tire WITHOUT a tube, it will work just fine...
As I said, many here have done and still do it....

[Agemax]

And if he does fit a tubeless tire WITHOUT a tube, it will work just fine...
As I said, many here have done and still do it....

ok , fair shout. your life

[Jason the terminator]

I'm not getting involved in a slagging session, I just offered my opinion from past experience.

If optimal/correct tyre pressures weren't important, motorsport competitors wouldn't check and reset their pressures between runs or in the case of rallying, between special stages. Did you know, that over inflated tyres reduce the contact patch? Of course you did! Amen, amen.

Poor example. They adjust to change temps, road conditions so the tire performs the best for there setup not the best for the longevity and performance of the tire. Very few use tires that any of us would use in daily life. I have a tire lab at work and I work with prototype tires. I'm a test driver tires and there performance is a huge part of my job. How many people here are competing in motorsports with there 30 year old GS in a professional motorsport?

[Baatfam]

ok , fair shout. your life

True...that's why I take the risk of riding at all...

But I have yet to see what you are worried about...
Seriously, I just don't understand why you think it is an issue...
Either you did not make a case, or I did not understand it.

I know personally, and have read of, many, many people that do this...people that ride hard.
I have NOT read or known anyone that had an issue due to running a tubeless tire on a tube rim without a tube...not one...ever.

[ScrumDown]

Since I am the OP, I am going to state what I am doing to do. Per the info posted here and on other forums as well.

I am going to run tubeless tires with tubes in them because the original rims are of a tube design.

[Souske]

Where are you guys finding tube or tubeless on the rim?

All i can find is 19x1.85 DOT, Enkei, Made in Japan, Suzuki "S"


1980 750GS w/ aluminum wheels

[Nessism]

Where are you guys finding tube or tubeless on the rim?

All i can find is 19x1.85 DOT, Enkei, Made in Japan, Suzuki "S"


1980 750GS w/ aluminum wheels

The rims with the extra tubeless bead will state "tubeless tire applicable" or something to this effect. If it doesn't say this, the rim is tube type.