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    Steering head bearings

    Does anyone know of a good tutorial or thread on replacing steering head bearings? Also, are the tapered bearings a better option?
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9zH8w8Civs8ejBJWjdvYi1LNTg&resourcekey=0-hlJp0Yc4K_VN9g7Jyy4KQg&authuser=fussbucket_1%40msn.com&usp=drive_fs
    1983 GS750ED-Horsetraded for the Ironhead
    1981 HD XLH

    Drew's 850 L Restoration

    Drew's 83 750E Project

    #2
    Not sure if BassCliff has any bearing tutorials on his "little" website, but it's worth a try.

    In my opinion, tapered rollers are better than balls.

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      #3
      checked there

      Yeah, went to BassCliff's site. Didn't see anything there. Lot's of vids on youtube, but none are GS's. Should be pretty much the same I guess. I'll be finding out!
      https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9zH8w8Civs8ejBJWjdvYi1LNTg&resourcekey=0-hlJp0Yc4K_VN9g7Jyy4KQg&authuser=fussbucket_1%40msn.com&usp=drive_fs
      1983 GS750ED-Horsetraded for the Ironhead
      1981 HD XLH

      Drew's 850 L Restoration

      Drew's 83 750E Project

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        #4
        If you have a race that is stuck in the frame, use a Dremel tool with a large cut-off wheel to cut into it twice, about 1/4" from each other.
        That will take all the pressure off and it will likely just drop out.

        Don't worry too much about nicking into the metal on the frame, that won't affect how well the new bearing performs.



        Even though tapered bearings are better, they are still not perfect.
        Here is why I had to change this bearing:



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        mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
        hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
        #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
        #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
        Family Portrait
        Siblings and Spouses
        Mom's first ride
        Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
        (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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          #5
          Thumbs up on the dremel cut method. You don't need to cut though, just get it close then use a sharp chisel to catch the cut edge and wack it with a hammer. The race will crack allowing easy removal. Pound in the new races with a piece of PVC pipe. As for the parts, All Ball's makes nice kits.
          Ed

          To measure is to know.

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          Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

          Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf

          KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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            #6
            You '82 should already have tapered roller bearings. Just go to the local bearing supply shop and get the same ones.
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              #7
              job done!

              Originally posted by Steve View Post
              Even though tapered bearings are better, they are still not perfect.
              Here is why I had to change this bearing:



              .
              My lower race on the steering stem looked just like this one. I did use the dremel and chisel, wasn't too hard.

              The races in the frame were easy enough to knock out. The lower one was a little tough to get a purchase on since the tube flares out at the bottom. I had a tire lever with a hook on the end which worked perfectly to catch the edge. Lowered the lever in from the top, gave it a few good whacks all the way around, and it popped right out.

              I ordered new ones from Z1. They turned out to be the All's Balls kit, which I was happy to see.

              Everything went together easily, and now the steering is smoooooth. What a difference!
              https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9zH8w8Civs8ejBJWjdvYi1LNTg&resourcekey=0-hlJp0Yc4K_VN9g7Jyy4KQg&authuser=fussbucket_1%40msn.com&usp=drive_fs
              1983 GS750ED-Horsetraded for the Ironhead
              1981 HD XLH

              Drew's 850 L Restoration

              Drew's 83 750E Project

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                #8
                Yep, my lower bearing race looked just like the ones in the picture. I got tired of the detente feeling in the steering, so I decided to do the steering head bearing replacement. So far it's going pretty good. The races in the frame tapped out fairly easy. The lower race required my special curved punch. I'm going to take the lower triple tree to work tomorrow and just grind off the bearing. Also tomorrow I'm going to make a race installation tool(two pucks and some all thread). Sure is a lot of cleaning to do with the front end apart...

                Growler, let me know when you're ready to do your steering head bearings. I'll give you tips, tools and pics.
                My Motorcycles:
                22 Kawasaki Z900 RS (Candy Tone Blue)
                22 BMW K1600GT (Probably been to a town near you)
                82 1100e Drag Bike (needs race engine)
                81 1100e Street Bike (with race engine)
                79 1000e (all original)
                82 850g (all original)
                80 KZ 650F (needs restored)

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by jsandidge View Post
                  My lower race on the steering stem looked just like this one. I did use the dremel and chisel, wasn't too hard.

                  The races in the frame were easy enough to knock out. The lower one was a little tough to get a purchase on since the tube flares out at the bottom. I had a tire lever with a hook on the end which worked perfectly to catch the edge. Lowered the lever in from the top, gave it a few good whacks all the way around, and it popped right out.

                  I ordered new ones from Z1. They turned out to be the All's Balls kit, which I was happy to see.

                  Everything went together easily, and now the steering is smoooooth. What a difference!
                  When I was replacing my bottom race, I ran into the same problem. An old school bike mechanic friend of mine looked at it and made a punch like tool for the flair at the bottom. He took a 1/2 inch harden steel rod and managed to put a slight S bend in it to work inside that flair. Damn thing worked like a charm. It sucked because he wouldn't let me have the tool lol.
                  sigpicMrBill Been a GSR member on and off since April 2002
                  1980 GS 750E Bought new in Feb of 1980
                  2015 CAN AM RTS


                  Stuff I've done to my bike:dancing: 1100E front end with new Sonic springs, 1100E swing arm conversion with new Progressive shocks installed, 530 sprockets/chain conversion, new SS brake lines, new brake pads. New SS fasteners through out. Rebuilt carbs, new EBC clutch springs and horn installed. New paint. Motor runs strong.

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                    #10
                    Bill, as long as your friend don't move, you know where to get the punch if needed again... I got my race installation tool and bearing driver made today so I'll be ready to put everything back together tomorrow. I'm going to a Phish concert tonight or I'd be working on the motorcycle tonight.
                    Attached Files
                    My Motorcycles:
                    22 Kawasaki Z900 RS (Candy Tone Blue)
                    22 BMW K1600GT (Probably been to a town near you)
                    82 1100e Drag Bike (needs race engine)
                    81 1100e Street Bike (with race engine)
                    79 1000e (all original)
                    82 850g (all original)
                    80 KZ 650F (needs restored)

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                      #11
                      The bearing races pulled in like a charm, the stem bearing tapped right on. If any upstanding GSR members would like to barrow my custom stem bearing tools let me know...
                      Attached Files
                      My Motorcycles:
                      22 Kawasaki Z900 RS (Candy Tone Blue)
                      22 BMW K1600GT (Probably been to a town near you)
                      82 1100e Drag Bike (needs race engine)
                      81 1100e Street Bike (with race engine)
                      79 1000e (all original)
                      82 850g (all original)
                      80 KZ 650F (needs restored)

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by mrbill5491 View Post
                        When I was replacing my bottom race, I ran into the same problem. An old school bike mechanic friend of mine looked at it and made a punch like tool for the flair at the bottom. He took a 1/2 inch harden steel rod and managed to put a slight S bend in it to work inside that flair. Damn thing worked like a charm. It sucked because he wouldn't let me have the tool lol.
                        12" tyre lever can work, too. The kink in the end can just catch the lip of the race (and/or grind a suitable edge on the lever). Some steering heads have a notch exposing a section of the inner race, allowing a normal long punch to reach in from the top and easily tap the lower one out.
                        Dave
                        '79 GS850GN '80 GS850GT
                        Only a dog knows why a motorcyclist sticks his head out of a car window

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                          #13
                          Just a follow up on my steering head bearing replacement:
                          WOW, what a difference the new bearings make! I should have done the job months ago. Not only does the motorcycle steer and handle better but the suspension feels a lot nicer. Now I can't wait to get the Sonic fork springs. One goof up I made was I forgot to put in place the chrome decorative plate that hides the lower triple tree. No big deal, I'll put it on when I do the front tire in a couple of weeks. Another note, I used the lower bearing seal that came with the "All Balls Bearing Kit" but for the upper bearing I used the factory Suzuki seal. It was bigger and covered the whole stem. One other suggestion I would make is, you might as well replace your front wheel bearings while you're at it... It's like changing your socks and underwear or (stockings and knickers) at the same time.
                          Last edited by storm 64; 08-10-2015, 10:13 PM.
                          My Motorcycles:
                          22 Kawasaki Z900 RS (Candy Tone Blue)
                          22 BMW K1600GT (Probably been to a town near you)
                          82 1100e Drag Bike (needs race engine)
                          81 1100e Street Bike (with race engine)
                          79 1000e (all original)
                          82 850g (all original)
                          80 KZ 650F (needs restored)

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by storm 64 View Post
                            Bill, as long as your friend don't move, you know where to get the punch if needed again... I got my race installation tool and bearing driver made today so I'll be ready to put everything back together tomorrow. I'm going to a Phish concert tonight or I'd be working on the motorcycle tonight.
                            Sadly he drank himself to death several years ago. Not sure what happened to his tools and his bikes. Think his so called friends raided his place when he died.
                            sigpicMrBill Been a GSR member on and off since April 2002
                            1980 GS 750E Bought new in Feb of 1980
                            2015 CAN AM RTS


                            Stuff I've done to my bike:dancing: 1100E front end with new Sonic springs, 1100E swing arm conversion with new Progressive shocks installed, 530 sprockets/chain conversion, new SS brake lines, new brake pads. New SS fasteners through out. Rebuilt carbs, new EBC clutch springs and horn installed. New paint. Motor runs strong.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by mrbill5491 View Post
                              Sadly he drank himself to death several years ago. Not sure what happened to his tools and his bikes. Think his so called friends raided his place when he died.
                              Sorry to hear that Bill. If you ever are in need of steering head tools just let me know and I'll ship them out to you...
                              My Motorcycles:
                              22 Kawasaki Z900 RS (Candy Tone Blue)
                              22 BMW K1600GT (Probably been to a town near you)
                              82 1100e Drag Bike (needs race engine)
                              81 1100e Street Bike (with race engine)
                              79 1000e (all original)
                              82 850g (all original)
                              80 KZ 650F (needs restored)

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