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  • zuluwiz
    Forum Mentor
    • May 2017
    • 308
    • the Buckeye State

    #1

    Fork Springs

    I just acquired a set of used stock forks for the Ratzuki (GS850), and am wondering if this is a good time to put some new springs in, that is before installing. Should I go for progressive wound springs or will the stockers be ok? I am rather hefty and heavier springs might work for a better ride. Which would be best? Would i need to keep the air caps? Feedback, please.
    Expecting the Spanish Inquisition
    1981 GS850G: the Ratzuki
    1981 GS1100E
  • RichDesmond
    Forum Sage
    Past Site Supporter
    • Jul 2011
    • 2757
    • NoVa

    #2
    My opinions are not those of a disinterested observer, but give this a read:

    '20 Ducati Multistrada 1260S, '93 Ducati 750SS, '01 SV650S, '07 DL650, '01 DR-Z400S, '80 GS1000S, '85 RZ350

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    • glib
      Forum Sage
      Past Site Supporter
      • Jul 2014
      • 1175
      • Stockton, CA

      #3
      My opinions are those of a disinterested but experienced observer. Trust Rich!
      sigpic
      1983 GS1100ES (Bought July 2014)
      1983 GS1100E (Bought July 2014)
      1985 GS700ES (Bought June 2015) Sold
      On Christ the Solid Rock I Stand
      All Other Ground is Sinking Sand

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      • Steve
        GS Whisperer
        • Jun 2005
        • 35925
        • southwest oHIo

        #4
        My opinions are those of a very satisfied user.

        No idea how your "rather hefty" compares to my personal gravitational attraction, added to the fact that I have added a frame-mounted fairing, saddlebags and trunk to my 850, but I chose Sonic 1.1 springs and 10w oil and recommend that combination highly.

        .
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        mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
        hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
        #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
        #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
        Family Portrait
        Siblings and Spouses
        Mom's first ride
        Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
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        • zuluwiz
          Forum Mentor
          • May 2017
          • 308
          • the Buckeye State

          #5
          And what sort of air pressure would work well for those?
          Expecting the Spanish Inquisition
          1981 GS850G: the Ratzuki
          1981 GS1100E

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          • TxGSrider
            Forum Sage
            Past Site Supporter
            • Aug 2015
            • 1015
            • Flower Mound, TX

            #6
            Originally posted by zuluwiz
            And what sort of air pressure would work well for those?
            If you get the proper springs you won't need to add any air.
            1982 GS1100E "Jolene"

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            • Steve
              GS Whisperer
              • Jun 2005
              • 35925
              • southwest oHIo

              #7
              Agreed. No extra air needed, very easy to maintain that pressure.

              .
              sigpic
              mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
              hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
              #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
              #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
              Family Portrait
              Siblings and Spouses
              Mom's first ride
              Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
              (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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              • sam000lee
                Forum Mentor
                • Jun 2013
                • 884
                • MA

                #8
                Another happy Sonic Springs customer on my GS750.
                1980/1981 GS450 - GS500 Cylinder + Piston Swap - "De-L'ed", custom seat, CB350 bits, 18" rear, etc.
                1977 GS550
                1977 GS750 - Cross country trip thread

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                • RichDesmond
                  Forum Sage
                  Past Site Supporter
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 2757
                  • NoVa

                  #9
                  Originally posted by zuluwiz
                  And what sort of air pressure would work well for those?
                  Like the other guys said, no air pressure with the better springs. Air ends up being a very progressive spring, and that's a problem. So if you use the right rate in regular spring and no added air you'll get the best balance of comfort and handling.

                  The stock springs are so soft that adding air with them makes a bad situation a little better, but it's far from optimum.

                  Let me know if you need help selecting a rate.
                  '20 Ducati Multistrada 1260S, '93 Ducati 750SS, '01 SV650S, '07 DL650, '01 DR-Z400S, '80 GS1000S, '85 RZ350

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                  • Guest

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Steve
                    My opinions are those of a very satisfied user.
                    +1. I like them enough to have used them on multiple bikes of various brands. They offer top notch service and quality with very reasonable prices.


                    Mark

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                    • Peteortiz11
                      Forum Mentor
                      • Aug 2015
                      • 101
                      • Peekskill NY

                      #11
                      Just out of curiosity; how much air, in stock forks, is the right amount?

                      1981 Suzuki GS850gl, Caf? Racer!

                      Built, not Bought!

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                      • zuluwiz
                        Forum Mentor
                        • May 2017
                        • 308
                        • the Buckeye State

                        #12
                        Springs ordered from Sonic.
                        Expecting the Spanish Inquisition
                        1981 GS850G: the Ratzuki
                        1981 GS1100E

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                        • Steve
                          GS Whisperer
                          • Jun 2005
                          • 35925
                          • southwest oHIo

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Peteortiz11
                          Just out of curiosity; how much air, in stock forks, is the right amount?
                          That depends on what bike you have, how bad the springs are, how much you weigh and how you ride.

                          If that is too much to compute, just measure your "sag" and add enough air to bring it to a normal range. Generally 7-14 psi should work.

                          To measure your "sag", you need to make two measurements and will need a helper. Put the bike on the centerstand, measure from the top of the fork dust cap to the bottom of the triple clamp. Take the bike off the centerstand, load it like you are riding. Wear your gear, assume normal riding position, get as much 'normal' weight as you can on the bike, just barely using your tippy-toes to balance. Have your helper do the same measurement from the dust cap to the triple clamp. The difference should be about 20-25% of available fork travel. Most of our forks have about 6" of travel, so you are looking for a difference of 1 to 1.5".

                          If you have more than 1.5", add about 5 psi in each fork leg, check the measurement again. Keep adding a couple psi until you have about 1" of sag.

                          In case you hadn't noticed, it's SO much easier to install proper springs and not have to worry about adding air.

                          .
                          sigpic
                          mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                          hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                          #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                          #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
                          Family Portrait
                          Siblings and Spouses
                          Mom's first ride
                          Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
                          (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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                          • Peteortiz11
                            Forum Mentor
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 101
                            • Peekskill NY

                            #14
                            Thank GSW for sharing your knowledge and support. I gotta say this is the reason I come to this forum. you guys are knowledgeable, friendly and helpful. Unlike that caf? racer forum where you're insulted, belittled ad down right disrespected. Bunch of losers over there

                            1981 Suzuki GS850gl, Caf? Racer!

                            Built, not Bought!

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                            • zuluwiz
                              Forum Mentor
                              • May 2017
                              • 308
                              • the Buckeye State

                              #15
                              Ok, springs are here, and it's time to assemble. 1.1 Sonic springs, 10w oil (how much oil would be right?)I am assuming it would be the right time to put in new seals. What else do I need to do? As a 300-pounder, should I set the preload high or medium? No fairing or bags.
                              Expecting the Spanish Inquisition
                              1981 GS850G: the Ratzuki
                              1981 GS1100E

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