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A must-have tool for old bikes:

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earlfor said:
Those phillips screws on the GS are Japanese phillips which are not the same configuration as standard phillips. If you are stripping screw heads, it is because you are using the wrong bits. No impact driver I know of comes with the correct phillips bits for our use. Use the right tool and life gets easier. LOL

Earl
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Earl, I worked for Nissan 4 years before I went to Mercedes. Noone atNissan ever mentioned a "special" Asian philips screw driver or bits. Is this like a bearing adjuster? My muffler bearings do need adjusting!
 
Japan does use a different cross head design with very different pitches than what US/Euro manufacturers use. It's easy to make a standard phillips head driver work with a healthy Japanese screw head, but these old pieces are a bit fickle. You can find a lot of information online about the differences.

Also, snap-on sells a japanese cross head bit and adapters for impact drivers and such. They're the only ones I know of who sell a Japanese bit...outside of Japanese manufacturers and they're a bit obscure in locating.
 
boy i sure wish i would have known about one of these before i spent all day drilling out my bolts.lol but now that i know i do believe im heading out now to get me one.
 
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The JIS Philips head does exist, it's not on par with k'niffna pins, headlamp coolant or anything like that, it's real. Not really required unless the screws have been abused by a PO or have near 30years of seize to them. Like on some of the bikes we buy...

More info here:
( http://www.ikaswebshop.com/jisphilips.html )

I've used an (hand) impact driver for years, and never, ever stripped a nut with one. Used properly, they are far gentler on the hardware, and will save you much, much frustration. I just used one this morning to take off the carbs boots and stator cover off of the '78 750E I just bought. I do not know how I would have gotten those SOB carb boot bolts out of the head without it. (And I'm super glad I bought replacements from Mr. Barr, because while still "good" they are not going back in) If you use the right bit, preload the tool rotationally and tension wise, and aren't afraid to give it a good whack, you'll never strip a non-stripped screw, and you will save a lot of time fighting stuck hardware. Even a stripped screw can usually be caught by tapping in the next size bit. Drilling is far from a timesaver.

One caveat though, I had to buy a new impact driver last weekend because mine had apparently grown legs, and it was a nightmare trying to find one. My first step was Sears (two of them) and they both claimed not to have one. Two autoparts stores (VIP, Carquest), and Lowe's later, I was pulling my hair out. I got home to search online for "impact driver" in case I was using an outdated term and the first thing that came up was Sears' Craftsman Impact Driver. I clicked the link, checked local availability, and then 20 minutes later went and picked it up from the "Merchandise Pickup" desk at the first Sears I'd been to earlier! Wasted two hours because of lack of help. As useful tool salesmen are becoming harder to come by, use the web tools first!

(Oh, and that chrome HF job I remember seeing in other packaging several times (CAP, Autozone, etc), and its always been junk. You want a impact grade case to take the beating that you're going to put on the end, and yes, even the craftsman will be dimpled up after a morning's use

Shaughn
 
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Robert Barr's page also covers this, " http://cycleorings.com/phillips.html ".
Through there I ordered the JIS bits from RJR, arrived in about 4 days. For some reason I thought I was getting equivalents of #1-3, but got #0-2. My fault for misreading. " http://www.rjrcooltools.com/shop_item_detail.cfm?subcat_ID=89 "

makenzie71 said:
Also, snap-on sells a japanese cross head bit and adapters for impact drivers and such. They're the only ones I know of who sell a Japanese bit...outside of Japanese manufacturers and they're a bit obscure in locating.
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I have a $12.00 Harbor Freight and it successfully removed every one on my bike for allen head replacement.
 
makenzie71 said:
if you don't want it to break spend some money on a Craftsman (free replacement) or buy a snap-on or something. I buy the cheap ones because spending $12 a year is acceptable to me (actually the last one I bought has lasted since 2002).
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I have a Craftsman. Works great.
 
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