Pulled over. Warning, no tocket. Thanks Brain.

[Redman]

About keeping hands out in view: My concern is not so much trying to avoid being shot, but more to make it obvious that I am cooperating. And show that I am going out of my way to not cause the cop any concern. So cop has the least need/excuse to exert his authority over me.

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[sachsaca]

This is what we are scared of. This is why we act so offensive. Some people weld knife blades under there gas caps. A quick pull and stab and were done. So from one cop to you, thanks for the respect and how you reponded. I'm sure the guy appreciated it. sachsaca

 

[will61310]

In New Jersey maybe. Probably Detroit. A few other places.
The rest of the country it's not likely unless you act like you need it.

Some people DO need it...

 

[1_v8_merc]

Back where i grew up, the locals were pretty much told to use discretion if attempting to pull over a motorcycle, and were usually ordered to fall back if the rider took off and fled on any kind of sport bike.
Because they had an enormous amount of high speed cycle chases every month, almost always ending in multiple fatalities or the rider getting away from police.
Turns out, it was just costing the county too much money to chase them left and right.

(my sheriff buddy told me that, and i've heard of other counties doing the same thing....because it simply gets too dangerous....the police dont stand a chance in hell at catching up to a sportbike, and if the police chopper does arrive, so what? There are literally hundreds of winding roads covered with thick trees, and the chopper can't follow,atleast where I used to live.)

It's funny, i actually KNOW somebody who ran from the locals back home, i believe he had a CBR 900 or kawasaki. He was crankin 150mph on Rt. 4, and flew RIGHT past a speed-trap with 2 local squad cars. He said he looked in his mirrors and they didn't even move at all,lol.

 

[motman]

haha that's really funny. One of my friends who's in a criminal justice class told me just the other day how some counties police have a policy not to chase speeding bikes.

Correct me if I am wrong but I'm sure there's still a lot of places that don't have that policy. What I've heard from the idiots that risk their lives running from a ticket is that if you can't get away in 30 seconds you probably won't.

 

[officerbill]

getting stopped

getting stopped

In Pa. licence, registration, proof of insurance are required and a good idea to have it all handy. I've been stopped a time or two, I go too fast, but due to my job no ticket yet. Still it is a good idea to get the helmet off and stay with the bike. Be patient, be truthfull and show some respect, after all the fellow with the lights on thinks you broke one of HIS rules. Having been the fellow with the lights I know I got a little reflective with the folks I stopped. If they were nice, so was I, but be a butt head and see where that gets ya!

Speeding is one thing, we all have done it knowingly or not, and it is almost excusable. Drinking on the other hand is a dumb thing to do before riding on or in anything. The smell of booze was alwyas the trigger to get me fired up. Tickets flew, yes more than one for one driver. I really don't like drunk drivers. Drink at home and all one is are doing is killing their liver. Drink and drive and folks that did not do anything wrong are getting hurt.

If you are going to go fast, be ready, someday the ticket will stick. Factor in the cost of a ticket or two and then you'll think about slowing down.

Stay Safe,
bill

 

[mighty13d]

The first thing I usually give the Cop is my CCW permit, that way he knows...

Been there. had to sit there patiently waiting to get my paperwork out of my glove box because i had my pistol in there once. Apparently I accelerated too quickly when I left the toll booth. It's not a drag race you know...

But anyway, I told him i had a concealed carry permit and a loaded gun in the glove box, but in a holster. he looked at my permit and told me to just take it out and set it in the seat. While he ran my info he asked me to just stand behind my car for him (obviously just for officer safety and I had no issues doing that for him). so no ticket or anything and I think he was more respectful to me than he would have been to a typical 20-something year old accelerating quickly when he found out i had my permit. Must obviously not be too much of a trouble maker if I have that! lol

 

[Pete Logan]

Excuse my ignorance, being a Brit, but why were you so concerned about keeping your hands open and on display? Were you worried that he might think you were going to shoot him?

Brit friend of mine once got pulled over in Arizona. When asked for his license he reached for an inside jacket pocket without telling the officer what he was doing. Next thing he knew, he had a revolver sticking out of his ear.

Same here on the continent. Get the officer's permission before you take your hands out of his/her sight, and no sudden moves. Same with a weapon in the car/bike. There's no need to mention it up front, but if the officer wants you to go into that compartment, then tell them there is a weapon in there and let them tell you what to do next.

 

[motman]

I've been stopped a time or two, I go too fast, but due to my job no ticket yet.

You seam like a pretty chilled out cop for the most part.. You say that speeding can be excusable, I would love to hear this.. What are good excuses for speeding? When do you ever let people off speeding tickets and why?

I deliver pizzas(i'm only 18yo, don't worry) and I've flown passed cops at least 5-10+mph over and they've never pulled me over. I've never even been pulled over in my car. XD

 

[1_v8_merc]

There's really no excuse for speeding.
But at the same time, EVERYBODY speeds at some point.

I just can't stand cops that think giving a ticket is somehow going to teach people a lesson!? No offense, but are you nuts!?

I know when i was 21, i got my first $60 ticket, i was ****ED, and I actually drove MORE aggressive after the cop left!

My neighbor who was a sheriff RARELY ever gave out tickets, he knows the truth....warnings do more good than tickets. Tickets are just going to **** people off, PERIOD.....they WONT learn!
(admit it, it's just wishful thinking!)

Warnings on the other hand, is a much nicer way of saying "you were caught, we are out watching the roads, be careful"

I always drove slower after getting a warning, because you felt like you had a close call.

----

The whole idea that "speed" causes accidents is FALSE too.
They've proven this with dozens of studies conducted.
(hell, i just saw one this week posted on a news website, another highway INCREASING the speed limit)

If speed causes accidents, then the Autobahn and sections of the highway that have "no speed limit" should be the holy grail of auto accidents right?
Far from....the accident rates are staggeringly lower then they are here.
(they documented this by doing a special on the Autobahn, which was on the History Channel, several years back)

They've actually PROVEN, that higher speeds, actually INCREASE efficiency and lowers the total amount of accidents.
(although higher speed limit zones result in higher amounts of FATAL crashes, the OVERALL numbers of accidents actually decreases drastically.)

The cause of accidents are often cell phones, distractions and drugs/alcohol.....not speed alone.

I feel bad that they brainwash police and troopers into thinking that speed causes accidents, when clearly every single study out there has proven otherwise.
(over 75% of traffic collisions with vehicles AND motorcycles take place UNDER 35mph.) Some states have different MPH statistics, but ALL of them are under 55mph for sure.

So how could speed possibly be a factor?

It just all comes down to $$$, just like everything else in this world pretty much!

 

[tkent02]

There's really no excuse for speeding.
But at the same time, EVERYBODY speeds at some point.

I just can't stand cops that think giving a ticket is somehow going to teach people a lesson!? No offense, but are you nuts!?

I know when i was 21, i got my first $60 ticket, i was ****ED, and I actually drove MORE aggressive after the cop left!

My neighbor who was a sheriff RARELY ever gave out tickets, he knows the truth....warnings do more good than tickets. Tickets are just going to **** people off, PERIOD.....they WONT learn!
(admit it, it's just wishful thinking!)

Warnings on the other hand, is a much nicer way of saying "you were caught, we are out watching the roads, be careful"

I always drove slower after getting a warning, because you felt like you had a close call.

----

The whole idea that "speed" causes accidents is FALSE too.
They've proven this with dozens of studies conducted.
(hell, i just saw one this week posted on a news website, another highway INCREASING the speed limit)

If speed causes accidents, then the Autobahn and sections of the highway that have "no speed limit" should be the holy grail of auto accidents right?
Far from....the accident rates are staggeringly lower then they are here.
(they documented this by doing a special on the Autobahn, which was on the History Channel, several years back)

They've actually PROVEN, that higher speeds, actually INCREASE efficiency and lowers the total amount of accidents.
(although higher speed limit zones result in higher amounts of FATAL crashes, the OVERALL numbers of accidents actually decreases drastically.)

The cause of accidents are often cell phones, distractions and drugs/alcohol.....not speed alone.

I feel bad that they brainwash police and troopers into thinking that speed causes accidents, when clearly every single study out there has proven otherwise.
(over 75% of traffic collisions with vehicles AND motorcycles take place UNDER 35mph.) Some states have different MPH statistics, but ALL of them are under 55mph for sure.

So how could speed possibly be a factor?

It just all comes down to $$$, just like everything else in this world pretty much!

Clearly, it's all about revenue.

 

[yank]

If this has already been stated my apology. tickets are revenue and warnings do not meet qoutas. see you in court.

 

[officerbill]

The cause of accidents are often cell phones, distractions and drugs/alcohol.....not speed alone.

Heard of Profiling?

Well, speeding is a trigger to look at the culpret to see if there isn't something more dangerious going on. It has been a while since I was in a patrol car. And, I agree the warnings seemed to make folks think about what they were doing. Speeding alone, or driving too fast for the conditions (my favorite) isn't defently going to get someone killed, add in wreckless and endangering and another story comes to light.

But, sometimes you stop a speeder and the odor of cheap booze and who knows whatelse hits you and the tickets fly. You think we make moola off a speeding ticket, ought to check out the fines and costs for a DUI. Remember the cop citing you isn't getting anything extra for doing his job, there are no bonuses for number of tickets written, etc, I just felt like I had someone some good for stopping a drunk. Did I say how much I really don't like drunk drivers?:twistedevil:
bill

 

[motman]

Did I say how much I really don't like drunk drivers?:twistedevil:
bill

I'm with you Bill, I'm actually thinking about doing my argumentative essay on this for school. This girl in my class brought up how she's gotten a DUI(a gas station employee called her in). She tried telling the class that she thinks DUI's are "money makers" for the government. I wanted to laugh in her face.

 

[mighty13d]

she thinks DUI's are "money makers" for the government.

Of course they are!















It has nothing to do with the numbers of accidents caused by people who are drunk, the number of fatalities that are caused by drunk drivers that would otherwise never have happened!

 

[Zooks]

Back where i grew up, the locals were pretty much told to use discretion if attempting to pull over a motorcycle, and were usually ordered to fall back if the rider took off and fled on any kind of sport bike.
Because they had an enormous amount of high speed cycle chases every month, almost always ending in multiple fatalities or the rider getting away from police.
Turns out, it was just costing the county too much money to chase them left and right.

(my sheriff buddy told me that, and i've heard of other counties doing the same thing....because it simply gets too dangerous....the police dont stand a chance in hell at catching up to a sportbike, and if the police chopper does arrive, so what? There are literally hundreds of winding roads covered with thick trees, and the chopper can't follow,atleast where I used to live.)

It's funny, i actually KNOW somebody who ran from the locals back home, i believe he had a CBR 900 or kawasaki. He was crankin 150mph on Rt. 4, and flew RIGHT past a speed-trap with 2 local squad cars. He said he looked in his mirrors and they didn't even move at all,lol.

Car chases don't happen here no matter what you're driving / riding because the cops won't chase you most of the time. It's considered dangerous in urban areas and the view is that they'll catch you down the road somewhere (or their mates will). It works 99% of the time. Hearing of a car chase is very rare.

 

[Pete Logan]

Last I heard I think about 15 people a year in the UK get caught in the crossfire and killed by police involved in high speed chases.

These are just bystanders.

You can police small areas with low populations on the basis you can get them for the next one, and that's what used to happen in UK, but since it all got rolled up into Big Policing that don't work any more.

Still works where I live, I'm happy to say