When do you expect ev bikes to become practical road bikes.

[Baatfam]

Polling from S&P Global Mobility found in May that only 67% of respondents are open to buying an EV, a significant reduction from the 86% of respondents that were open to such a purchase in 2021.

So in just two years, 19% of the population fell victim to anti-EV propaganda....Or they just got stupider....which is entirely possible.

[Rob S.]

So in just two years, 19% of the population fell victim to anti-EV propaganda....Or they just got stupider....which is entirely possible.

That's one way to look at it. The same article noted how much GM, Ford, etc. have pulled back on their EV investments.

[wyly]

Polling from S&P Global Mobility found in May that only 67% of respondents are open to buying an EV, a significant reduction from the 86% of respondents that were open to such a purchase in 2021.

You're just focused on the headline and not the substance of the survey.

Price is still a major deterrent as manufacturers following Tesla's lead are offering high end EVs first. Consumers are willing to buy but the price ,technology and convenience hasn't reached a point to where they'll buy an EV as their primary vehicle, a $100K pickup isn't everyone's choice for a primary vehicle.

The survey only points out EVs are still short of consumers expectations not an unwillingness to buy.

[rphillips]

Don't think it's only the initial cost of an EV, I'm hearing a lot of concern about the cost of replacing an EV battery. Most anywhere you punch it up, on a computer, it says from $ 5,000 to $ 20,000. Also the deprecation rate for EV's is claimed to be 10 to 12 % more rapid than with ICE vehicles.... I keep thinking some kind of huge breakthrough in batteries is getting closer.

[dpep]

Interesting story in Wired about recycling EV batteries as grid storage.

https://www.wired.com/story/millions-of-ev-batteries-could-retire-to-solar-farms/?bxid=5cec24fffc942d3ada070234&cndid=55702794&esrc=VERSO_NAVIGATION&source=Email_0_EDT_WIR_NEWSLETTER_0_DAILY_ZZ&utm_brand=wired&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_content=WIR_Daily_112523&utm_mailing=WIR_Daily_112523&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nl&utm_term=P1

[rphillips]

Yep, evolution, new and better ideas coming all the time, We're getting there.

[wyly]

Don't think it's only the initial cost of an EV, I'm hearing a lot of concern about the cost of replacing an EV battery. Most anywhere you punch it up, on a computer, it says from $ 5,000 to $ 20,000. Also the deprecation rate for EV's is claimed to be 10 to 12 % more rapid than with ICE vehicles.... I keep thinking some kind of huge breakthrough in batteries is getting closer.

Is the price of a battery replacement any more expensive than a engine/transmission replacement? Tesla is claiming 400K mile battery life. One Chinese battery producer claims it's designing/building a battery with a million mile range, if true $20k battery would be great value, I'm not sure whether the chassis would last that long.

Depreciation, supply and demand can affect resale, surplus will drive down price.

Early days yet, I've no doubt all the technical issues that arise will be overcome.

[Grimly]

Is the price of a battery replacement any more expensive than a engine/transmission replacement? Tesla is claiming 400K mile battery life. One Chinese battery producer claims it's designing/building a battery with a million mile range, if true $20k battery would be great value, I'm not sure whether the chassis would last that long.

Depreciation, supply and demand can affect resale, surplus will drive down price.

Early days yet, I've no doubt all the technical issues that arise will be overcome.

I'd be interested to know how the chassis and steering components of mid-sized EVs are holding up to half a ton of battery being lugged around all the time.
I mean, you'd normally be using a light commercial vehicle for that, and suspension bits are generally heavier-duty than domestic crap.
We already know tyres crap out in about half the mileage of ICE cars, some due to the exuberant driving, most due to the simple physics of weight and cornering.
If used EVs filter down to Joe Blow, he'd best be prepared for a rebuild and get the tools out. Quite apart from battery replacement.

[GS1150Pilot]

The big tire companies have developed tires for EVs that last longer (cf, Dunlop's Turanza). A Tesla Model S weighs about the same as an Audi A8. I think you may have a point on access to rebuilding info and tech, though. Rich Rebuilds is a great YouTube to watch in that regard.

[wyly]

Tires, my daughter's neighbour has a Tesla a rwd model he has difficulty getting up his driveway in winter. Rwd in winter is already problematic on icy surfaces having the correct winter tire helps deal with that. Would Tesla tires designed for extra weight be contributing to poor winter traction?

[GS1150Pilot]

For a one season tire there, Michelin's X-Ice Snow tire seems to be the tire of choice.

[wyly]

For a one season tire there, Michelin's X-Ice Snow tire seems to be the tire of choice.

That's what I use. I don't know if these tires will work for a Tesla with the extra weight, tire life could be affected.

[GS1150Pilot]

That's what I use. I don't if these tires will work for a Tesla.

They do.

Tesla Model 3 Aftermarket Wheel and Winter Tire Package - T Sportline - Tesla Model S, 3, X & Y Accessories

[Rich82GS750TZ]

Rich Rebuilds was mentioned a few posts up. One of my favorite channels. Informative, and comical. Don't know if you'll learn a whole lot, But you'll likely be entertained. He's been fighting w/Tesla for a few years now.

[wyly]

Rich Rebuilds was mentioned a few posts up. One of my favorite channels. Informative, and comical. Don't know if you'll learn a whole lot, But you'll likely be entertained. He's been fighting w/Tesla for a few years now.

Same issues I've had with many of my ICE's...make that all ICE vehicles I've owned. At what point is it no longer worth spending thou$ands on repair for a vehicle that has no long term collector value.

If I needed a new engine in my 08 Civic do I spend $8-10K (supply and install) on a car that cost me 6.5K? I could buy a newer used civic for that. I've sold most of my cars to auto wreckers because it was pointless to spend more on bottomless money pits. It's not going to be any different with ev's.

The exception being if you can buy the non functional car EV or ICE cheap enough to make it worthwhile. If you can purchase a Tesla in excellent condition other than its faulty battery for a really low price then it could be an excellent purchase after battery replacement, $20-30K less than a new Tesla.