Glad I got that nail in the tyre!!

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  • Ruarymac

    #1

    Glad I got that nail in the tyre!!

    I went for a ride on Sunday from my place to the Vines Resort (Perth Western Australia) to see some friends and show off my recently aquired 1980 GS1000G.

    Just a few hundred metres from my destination I rounded a corner and the back end wobbled all over the place. I instantly new something was wrong and looked down to see a flat tyre. I pulled up on the side walk and soon found the head of a nail sticking out of the rubber.

    Well I never thought I would be glad to have picked up a nail but it turns out I am. Here's why....

    I removed the rear wheel following the intructions in the manual as I have never done so on a shaftie before. It all went smooth except I was concerned when I found the rear axle nut was loose and basically being held by the cotter pin. I took the wheel to a bike shop and had it repaired and balanced. The trye was brand new, obviously put on to sell the bike and I have only done about 1000km on it.

    When I put the wheel back on the bike I found as soon as I tightend the axle nut I could no longer turn the wheel. This did not seem right to me. I checked the forums here for any ideas and things to check for.

    I could not find anything wrong on the outside so I took the wheel off again. I looked at it every which way until I noticed there was no spacer against the left bearing. I am an electronics technician not a mechanic but I know enough that I thought there should be a spacer up against the left bearing to stop the wheel sliding along the axle. I even made measurements of the hubs thinkng that perhaps the design was such that the hub assembly some how provided this function but that did not compute!

    I checked the drawings in the parts manual and I could not find part number 7, the left hand long spacer, that the drawing suggested should be there. It appeared to be missing from my bike. This would explain why the axle nut was loose because when tight the outer hub of the drive assembly and the hub of the rear wheel would be squeezed together jamming the wheel.

    Luckily on Saturday, the day before the flat tyre, I bought and collected an almost complete 1979? GS1000G initially intended for parts although I did get it running so I might restor it yet. I pulled the rear wheel from it and noticed its axle nut was tight but the wheel was free. As soon as I dropped the wheel I could see the long left hand spacer where it should be according to the drawing.

    I took the spacer and installed it in my other GS and did up the axle nut. Now the rear wheel turns freely when the nut is tight and there is no side ways movement.

    Had I not picked up that nail in the tyre I might not have discovered the missing spacer for quite sometime. It appears there has not been any but I hate to think what damage could have been done if it had been left for some time. Perhaps the spacer was misplaced when the previous owner had the new tyre fitted.

    So now I am looking for a new spacer to put back in the other GS1000G.
  • Larry D
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    • Jul 2008
    • 4926
    • Indianapolis,IN

    #2
    The proverbial silver lining in the dark cloud.........

    Did you happen to check the rear spline while it was apart ?

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    • Guest

      #3
      It tees me off to see someone rig a bike just to sell it.
      They didn't care about your life.

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      • Guest

        #4
        Lucky there was a "side walk" handy . We've just got poxy "foot paths " over this way .

        Glad to here it all worked out for you old mate . You must be being saved up for something special .

        Cheers , Simon .

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        • earlfor
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          #5
          Now that is what I call great good fortune. I wish I could be so lucky.
          The last time something like that happened to me, I had just had a dealer put a new rear tire on my 350 Honda. Everything was fine until I left the dealership and pulled out into the street and throttled up. The rear wheel almost came off because the shop neglected to put the axle nut on.

          Earl
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          • Ruarymac

            #6
            I looked at the spline on both sides and as far as i could tell it all looked ok. My heart did jump in to my throat for a moment when i realized what possibly could happened. Normally i don't seem to have much luck but it was with me last weekend.

            If anyone just happens to have the left hand spacer out of their bike and is able to give me some measurement i would appreciate it (save me ripping mine out again). I might have to get another one made. I have not looked at the local wreckers yet. There is a chance they have one.

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            • Redman
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              • Mar 2004
              • 13723
              • Michigan, west Michigan

              #7
              Originally posted by Ruarymac
              I looked at the spline on both sides and as far as i could tell it all looked ok. My heart did jump in to my throat for a moment when i realized what possibly could happened. Normally i don't seem to have much luck but it was with me last weekend.

              If anyone just happens to have the left hand spacer out of their bike and is able to give me some measurement i would appreciate it (save me ripping mine out again). I might have to get another one made. I have not looked at the local wreckers yet. There is a chance they have one.
              Two comments:

              WHen you inspected the rear wheel spline/hub, did you remove the hub from the wheel? Is difficult to see the portion that wears when the hub is still in the wheel.

              Look on ebay for "Axle". Sometimes someone advertises and describes it as "Axle" but they include the spacers and nuts and such also.

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              • Ruarymac

                #8
                I did not remove the hub from the wheel. Is there anything specific i should look for? I looked at the spline teeth and they all looked square or uniform in shape. I did not see anything that looked like excessive ware or burring of edges etc.

                I will return home from work in about 8 days so i will look at it then. Thanks for the advice on the ebay search too. I will try that and see what i find.

                These bikes are a huge learning curve and throughly enjoyable despite the occasional frustration, but beating those frustrations makes all the more worth while.

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                • Larry D
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                  • Jul 2008
                  • 4926
                  • Indianapolis,IN

                  #9
                  You must remove the hub to inspect the spline. The drive hub should look very good, the hub spline is the sacrificial spline. The only way to see it is to remove the wheel, pull the retaining plates and wiggle and jiggle it out. They are still used today so sourcing one is easy, a little pricey at +- $150, but, if it goes, you aren't moving anywhere.
                  Larry D
                  1980 GS450S
                  1981 GS450S
                  2003 Heritage Softtail

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                  • sscott

                    #10
                    Follow Larry's advise on the spline parts. You may also do a search here on splines you will get plenty of good advise. Also check BassCliff's website for good advise. Especially the molly paste 60% that you can get at the nearby Honda shop.

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                    • Ruarymac

                      #11
                      Thank you gentlemen. I will follow your advice. I have a week before i get home to look at it so in the meantime I will check BassCliff's website too. Again I thank you all.

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