Landmark moment in music!

[bccap]

I wasn't impressed either . Mind you my tastes run to classical, flamenco, and jazz. ....And I found the visual to be downright stupid . I kept trying to imagine when I saw Segovia or Montoya play if I could have enjoyed their shows had either walked on stage dressed like a cow ..... I don't think I could have separated the music from the visual ..... Kudos to Earl for sitting through it twice . I lasted long enough to form an opinion on the music and then got that image off as fast as possible .... The theme riff was interesting but I found the improvisation around it lacking. I didn't think he strayed much from the original theme ..... At least not enough to keep my attention .....But as it isn't my style of music I wouldn't place much if any weight on my critique ..... I don't like rap or hip hop either but I don't deny their validity as music .....

However this " hate " comment disturbs me..... Hate is an emotional response...... I didn't like it. Rob didn't like it. And Earle didn't like it ..... I don't have any emotional feelings about the music. I listened to it long enough to form an opinion and then stopped ...... And I didn't get the impression that Rob or Earle did either .....

[Rob S.]

I kept trying to imagine when I saw Segovia or Montoya play if I could have enjoyed their shows had either walked on stage dressed like a cow .....

Is that what they were, cows?!?

Sir, you have insulted cows everywhere!

[Rob S.]

I saw Joe Pass in concert once. I don't remember exactly what he was wearing, but I do remember that he was NOT dressed as a cow. I'd stake my life on it.

I guess he just wasn't artistic enough to have realized what a cow outfit would have brought to the experience.

P.S. It's really a shame that it was at a rather small club, as there was no room for fireworks.

[LAB3]

I wasn't impressed either . Mind you my tastes run to classical, flamenco, and jazz. ....And I found the visual to be downright stupid . I kept trying to imagine when I saw Segovia or Montoya play if I could have enjoyed their shows had either walked on stage dressed like a cow ..... I don't think I could have separated the music from the visual ..... Kudos to Earl for sitting through it twice . I lasted long enough to form an opinion on the music and then got that image off as fast as possible .... The theme riff was interesting but I found the improvisation around it lacking. I didn't think he strayed much from the original theme ..... At least not enough to keep my attention .....But as it isn't my style of music I wouldn't place much if any weight on my critique ..... I don't like rap or hip hop either but I don't deny their validity as music .....

However this " hate " comment disturbs me..... Hate is an emotional response...... I didn't like it. Rob didn't like it. And Earle didn't like it ..... I don't have any emotional feelings about the music. I listened to it long enough to form an opinion and then stopped ...... And I didn't get the impression that Rob or Earle did either .....

Earl made his point once then popped back in later to do it again. This just might come as a surprise to many in the group but it's quite possible to just drop the subject when something is disagreeable to you!

Back to music, there was a time when this piece of piano music was considered groundbreaking! It would be difficult to find someone who doesn't find it sounding familiar.

Gnosssienne #1 by Erik Satie

https://youtu.be/4Y42P0G-kGY?si=ajIVJhvIVBeDLJrX

[earlfor]

Earl made his point once then popped back in later to do it again. This just might come as a surprise to many in the group but it's quite possible to just drop the subject when something is disagreeable to you!

your rule, sooooo?

[bccap]

Earl made his point once then popped back in later to do it again. This just might come as a surprise to many in the group but it's quite possible to just drop the subject when something is disagreeable to you!

Back to music, there was a time when this piece of piano music was considered groundbreaking! It would be difficult to find someone who doesn't find it sounding familiar.

Gnosssienne #1 by Erik Satie

https://youtu.be/4Y42P0G-kGY?si=ajIVJhvIVBeDLJrX

Somehow I can't see Satie performing his tone-poems in a cow suit, with a funny hat, and a two foot schnoz ......

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[LAB3]

your rule, sooooo?

Translation: "If I can just hold on being a dick long enough until the other side gives up I can claim victory!"

[bccap]

One thing I did find interesting .... Play the video again and then pause it as soon as you see a close up of the guitar fret board ..... It isn't a normal guitar fret arrangement . It's micro-tonal .... A normal guitar fret board is divided up into semitones . This one is divided up into quarter-tones . { the frets are closer together } ....That means you can add tones in between the notes on a conventional fret board .....

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[Cipher]

One thing I did find interesting .... Play the video again and then pause it as soon as you see a close up of the guitar fret board ..... It isn't a normal guitar fret arrangement . It's micro-tonal .... A normal guitar fret board is divided up into semitones . This one is divided up into quarter-tones . { the frets are closer together } ....That means you can add tones in between the notes on a conventional fret board .....

frets.jpg

Great tech. Years ago learned why eastern music sounds often jarring and hard to get used to.
audible frequency range is divided into smaller bands. Our ears and minds take time to adjust.
I assume that the divisions on this fret board adhere to western conventions. Fretless instruments have no easy guideposts but refined eared and very skilled players can do anything within the tuned range.
my hearings crap but was the violinist in the video taking such liberties?

[LAB3]

The Microtonal aspect was explained in the post that started this thread. Also the fact that this is very much an Avant Garde act was also explained.

[LAB3]

Great tech. Years ago learned why eastern music sounds often jarring and hard to get used to.
audible frequency range is divided into smaller bands. Our ears and minds take time to adjust.
I assume that the divisions on this fret board adhere to western conventions. Fretless instruments have no easy guideposts but refined eared and very skilled players can do anything within the tuned range.
my hearings crap but was the violinist in the video taking such liberties?

I'm not sure if you're familiar with bassist Charles Berthoud but he covers a few different Angine de Poitrine pieces on a fretless bass, check him out on YouTube, even HE can't quite hit it on the nose!

https://youtu.be/yzMymjfwTgI?si=NWMAF1EGE5IXE92f

[bccap]

The Microtonal aspect was explained in the post that started this thread. Also the fact that this is very much an Avant Garde act was also explained.

In recognition of Lab3's " I said it first " comment..... I realize commenting on the micro-tonal aspect once he has done so is evidently " verboten " .... I really must brush up on my discussion protocols ..... I really had no idea there was a "once said can't discuss " rule out there ..... I guess like Earle I am unfamiliar with " Lab3's rules of order " ...... My apologies for violating these world wide accepted standards .......

[bccap]

Great tech. Years ago learned why eastern music sounds often jarring and hard to get used to.
audible frequency range is divided into smaller bands. Our ears and minds take time to adjust.
I assume that the divisions on this fret board adhere to western conventions. Fretless instruments have no easy guideposts but refined eared and very skilled players can do anything within the tuned range.
my hearings crap but was the violinist in the video taking such liberties?

I think you are spot on with your Asian analogy ..... There is an instrument played by one of our local musicians called the " Mohan Veena " a slide guitar/sitar hybrid that I think may be a good example of crossing the bridge .... It gained some note through " Vishwa Mohan Bhatt " the designer..... It is made in a little shop in Kolkata ....I visited it once but he had no samples and built them to request. Unfortunately it took 3-4 weeks to make one and I wasn't there that long .... Too bad . They were inexpensive { $300 U.S. } at the time...... Here is an example of one of our local guys playing one ......

https://www.facebook.com/HarryManx/videos/610505241985254/

[rphillips]

Well, so much talk I finally punched it up and watched and listened... Not much to say but pretty good musicians... Not at all impressed with anything else I heard or saw but my opinion they seemed to be pretty good musicians,

[LAB3]

Well, so much talk I finally punched it up and watched and listened... Not much to say but pretty good musicians... Not at all impressed with anything else I heard or saw but my opinion they seemed to be pretty good musicians,

That was the point all along, great musicians getting credit for what they're doing despite whether or not you think the music is "good" I liken it to the folks in the lowrider car community, personally I think what they do is totally ridiculous but have the utmost respect for the painters and mechanics that make it possible.