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    Close the shies over Ukraine.

    Ukrainian News svc.

    Foreign Affairs Minister Dmytro Kuleba will discuss the issue of closure of the skies over Ukraine and the supply of heavy weapons to strengthen the country's air defenses with the foreign affairs ministers of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) on March 4.

    Kuleba announced this on the 1+1 television channel, the Ukrainian News Agency reports.
    “There will be a meeting of NATO foreign ministers tomorrow. I will participate in it online, and this (the issue of closing the skies above Ukraine) will be the key topic of my communication with my fellow ministers. We have a broader issue: they are, in principle, air defense and missile defense of Ukraine. This is currently the most vulnerable area. Therefore, we need to talk not just about closing the skies, but also about systematic and very serious support from Ukraine’s air defense partners, i.e. about providing us with specific heavy air defense weapons,” Kuleba said.
    According to the foreign minister, diplomats have already arranged the delivery of the American-made Stinger man-portable anti-aircraft missile systems to Ukraine. However, according to him, Ukraine needs a much powerful anti-aircraft weapon, and the Foreign Affairs Ministry is working on it.
    Kuleba was unable to predict the outcome of the talks on Friday, but he stressed that Ukrainian diplomats have already done the impossible since the beginning of the war by ensuring the delivery of weapons to Ukraine within a short time.
    Commenting on Ukraine's call for the West to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine, the Office of the President of Ukraine’s head Andrii Yermak wrote in an op-ed for The New York Times newspaper, “We recognize that this would be a serious escalation in the war and that it could bring NATO into direct conflict with Russia. But we firmly believe that Russia won’t stop at just Ukraine, which would potentially drag NATO into this conflict anyway. A no-fly zone would at least give Mr. Putin some pause.”
    As Ukrainian News Agency earlier reported, Ukraine has called on NATO member countries to close the skies over Ukraine because Russian missile attacks on Ukrainian cities are causing the most damage.
    However, NATO countries are refraining from making such a decision because they believe it would mean drawing the alliance into a war with Russia.
    On Thursday, the parliament requested that the United Nations and the international community impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine and establish humanitarian ("green") corridors for the evacuation of people in need.

    .............

    On one side of the scale, considering all the shyte Putin is in, It would well be in for a penny, in for a pound. I see no reason for him to stop, if/when he gets Ukraine. The question is more than likely, who is next?
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      "Gas prices shouldn't double from $3 to $6 gal."

      Surely you don't think the big players would do such a thing as to take every advantage to raise the price of gas?!?!? Surely not....

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        Originally posted by earlfor View Post
        I doubt the 43 million in the Ukraine massacre would agree with your answer.
        Right........lots of stories on the 1 million who have been able to get out. Everytime I hear one I think of the millions and millions that are trying to survive underground.

        My pie in the sky ending would be a brisk WW3, where casualties were limited to Russian leaders and soldiers............followed with a presentation of 17 million Square Kilometers to Zelensky.

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          Originally posted by wymple View Post
          "Gas prices shouldn't double from $3 to $6 gal."

          Surely you don't think the big players would do such a thing as to take every advantage to raise the price of gas?!?!? Surely not....

          I can't imagine such a thing. heh
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            Originally posted by earlfor View Post
            I doubt the 43 million in the Ukraine massacre would agree with your answer.
            That was meant as a casual soothsaying for outside observers. WWIII is certainly possible, let's hope the killing is as minimal as it can be. I'm seeing an economic restructuring coming that's going ruffle a lot of feathers, best to grab a case of "Bog Roll" and get ready to hunker down.
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              Originally posted by Cipher View Post
              the oil thing is profiteering and predictable
              they will of course say its world oil prices dictating the rise like they always do but as usual the gas in the pump was processed before the war started.
              Google supply chain economics and learn something new today.
              Hint: it's the replacement price that's being charged now, else the gas station acts like a charity.
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                Originally posted by earlfor View Post
                Close the shies over Ukraine.

                Ukrainian News svc.

                Foreign Affairs Minister Dmytro Kuleba will discuss the issue of closure of the skies over Ukraine and the supply of heavy weapons to strengthen the country's air defenses with the foreign affairs ministers of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) on March 4.

                Kuleba announced this on the 1+1 television channel, the Ukrainian News Agency reports.
                “There will be a meeting of NATO foreign ministers tomorrow. I will participate in it online, and this (the issue of closing the skies above Ukraine) will be the key topic of my communication with my fellow ministers. We have a broader issue: they are, in principle, air defense and missile defense of Ukraine. This is currently the most vulnerable area. Therefore, we need to talk not just about closing the skies, but also about systematic and very serious support from Ukraine’s air defense partners, i.e. about providing us with specific heavy air defense weapons,” Kuleba said.

                .............

                On one side of the scale, considering all the shyte Putin is in, It would well be in for a penny, in for a pound. I see no reason for him to stop, if/when he gets Ukraine. The question is more than likely, who is next?
                I'm not an expert in heavy weaponry but I would think the equipment NATO uses requires a fair amount of training. I don't think you can hand over sophisticated air defence system at the Polish Ukrainian border and expect them to know how to use it.
                Last edited by wyly; 03-05-2022, 11:12 AM.
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                  Originally posted by Grimly View Post
                  Google supply chain economics and learn something new today.
                  Hint: it's the replacement price that's being charged now, else the gas station acts like a charity.
                  Does that work in reverse?
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                    Originally posted by Grimly View Post
                    Google supply chain economics and learn something new today.
                    Hint: it's the replacement price that's being charged now, else the gas station acts like a charity.
                    That's their excuse they want us all to believe. When crude was around $140 US a barrel our pump price here was around $1 20cdn/litre. Now that it's just over $100 US a barrel our pump price here just went up to $1.60cdn/litre. Somehow I fail to see their math.
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                      Originally posted by Cipher View Post
                      Does that work in reverse?

                      Simple modern math. I'm charging you more today because I'm going to charge you more in the future.
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                        Originally posted by earlfor View Post
                        Simple modern math. I'm charging you more today because I'm going to charge you more in the future.
                        It's the universal law of entropy (Newton? Einstein?):

                        What goes up, will go up again.
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                          Originally posted by earlfor View Post
                          Ukraine is on the expressway to total destruction with genocide. It looks to me that NATO is not much move than a paper tiger. The world watches and NATO plays phone tag.
                          what do expect, ww3 is not an option. Supplying the Ukraine with lethal weapons will bleed the Russians but only economic warfare will bring Russia down without destroying us all. Ukrainians will die in large numbers that's unfortunate but it's unavoidable.

                          We're all responsible for this not just our governments, we elect people into office and then make demands that tie their hands and prevent anything being done. Annoy the voters and you'll your job.

                          Stop the bad guys but don't do anything that will increase the national debt...stop the bad guys but don't anything that will cause the price of gas or anything to go up...stop the bad guys but don't hurt the stock market I've got investments I don't want to lose...stop the bad guys but do anything that hurts my business or costs me my job.

                          Well now we're at that point where inflation will damage every economy, investments, jobs will be lost. It should've happen in 2014 with the Crimea invasion but politicians are afraid of voters, Putin got away with a slap on the wrist and here we are.
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                            Originally posted by wyly View Post
                            what do expect, ww3 is not an option. Supplying the Ukraine with lethal weapons will bleed the Russians but only economic warfare will bring Russia down without destroying us all. Ukrainians will die in large numbers that's unfortunate but it's unavoidable.

                            We're all responsible for this not just our governments, we elect people into office and then make demands that tie their hands and prevent anything being done. Annoy the voters and you'll your job.

                            Stop the bad guys but don't do anything that will increase the national debt...stop the bad guys but don't anything that will cause the price of gas or anything to go up...stop the bad guys but don't hurt the stock market I've got investments I don't want to lose...stop the bad guys but do anything that hurts my business or costs me my job.

                            Well now we're at that point where inflation will damage every economy, investments, jobs will be lost. It should've happen in 2014 with the Crimea invasion but politicians are afraid of voters, Putin got away with a slap on the wrist and here we are.

                            Yeah, keep the profits and pass the bill. The way of the world.
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                              U.S. flies B-52s over NATO's eastern flanks.

                              Holy shyte! CNN just reported that

                              "U.S. flies B-52s over NATO's eastern flanks."

                              Holy mother of god! A B-52 is no joke. Multiple B-52s could wipe the smile off anyone's face.

                              Operation Chrome Dome revisited!
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                                Originally posted by Rob S. View Post
                                Holy shyte! CNN just reported that

                                "U.S. flies B-52s over NATO's eastern flanks."

                                Holy mother of god! A B-52 is no joke. Multiple B-52s could wipe the smile off anyone's face.

                                Operation Chrome Dome revisited!
                                What an explanation!

                                The ordinance capabilities of a B-52...plus, the wing tips are so long, they have little wheels on each end for balance!

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