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  • philosopheriam
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    • Oct 2013
    • 730
    • Aurora, IL

    #1

    I might be a genius or an idiot - you tell me...

    Folks,

    A couple months ago, I bought a chain/sprockets to do a 530 conversion on my GS.

    I had a brain fart and forgot that the pitch from a 630 to a 530 chain is different - I ordered the original 630 teeth counts for my 530 sprockets, 15 and 42, respectively.

    When the conversion is done, I should have ordered a 18T front and a 50T rear. Now, considering that I purchased a 15 and 42, the final drive ratio is essentially the same as the 18 and 50. However, my question is, are the 15/42 530 sprockets too small, and thus going to cause accelerated chain wear and chain slapping issues?

    Or, did I unintentionally commit an act of genius and thus reduced the amount of rotating mass on my drivetrain by ordering smaller sprockets with the same final drive ratio?
    Cogito ergo sum - "I think, therefore I am"
    Ren? Descartes
  • JEEPRUSTY

    #2
    my final drive is 47 14 and it shows no issues of accelerated wear
    had on hcain last 20k of hard use and little oil

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    • philosopheriam
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      • Oct 2013
      • 730
      • Aurora, IL

      #3
      Originally posted by JEEPRUSTY
      my final drive is 47 14 and it shows no issues of accelerated wear
      had on hcain last 20k of hard use and little oil
      I'm just concerned about the overall diameter of the rear sprocket - is it too small and thus going to cause the chain to slap the swingarm, etc...
      Cogito ergo sum - "I think, therefore I am"
      Ren? Descartes

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      • lemonshindig

        #4
        The diameter has nothing to do with chain tension. In fact, a smaller diameter with comparable tension will give you more clearance, not less.

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        • Guest

          #5
          Originally posted by philosopheriam
          However, my question is, are the 15/42 530 sprockets too small, and thus going to cause accelerated chain wear and chain slapping issues?
          The 530 chain will wear the same as the 630 did because your sprockets are the same tooth count as the 630. I can't say on the swingarm issues but I have seen it mentioned by others here as a potential problem.


          Mark

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          • Nessism
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            • Mar 2006
            • 35790
            • Torrance, CA

            #6
            Chain and sprocket wear will be greater because the front sprocket is smaller (diameter) than ideal. The chain also may drag on the swingarm in some situations.
            Ed

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            • philosopheriam
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              • Oct 2013
              • 730
              • Aurora, IL

              #7
              If the outside diameter of the sprocket DECREASES, wouldn't the chain be moved CLOSER to the swingarm?
              Cogito ergo sum - "I think, therefore I am"
              Ren? Descartes

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              • lemonshindig

                #8
                Originally posted by philosopheriam
                If the outside diameter of the sprocket DECREASES, wouldn't the chain be moved CLOSER to the swingarm?
                Yes, but I'm dumb and forgot that the chain wraps around the swing arm.

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                • philosopheriam
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                  • Oct 2013
                  • 730
                  • Aurora, IL

                  #9
                  Update:

                  The folks at Z1 are being fantastic and allowing me to return the unused sprockets to them for a refund - in turn, I purchased the correct sizes, 18T and 50T, respectively.
                  Cogito ergo sum - "I think, therefore I am"
                  Ren? Descartes

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                  • mikerophone
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                    • Apr 2014
                    • 873
                    • San Diego

                    #10
                    Originally posted by philosopheriam
                    Update:

                    The folks at Z1 are being fantastic and allowing me to return the unused sprockets to them for a refund - in turn, I purchased the correct sizes, 18T and 50T, respectively.
                    +1 for Z1! Placed an order there yesterday. Great services and prices.
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                    • Guest

                      #11
                      Originally posted by philosopheriam
                      Update:

                      The folks at Z1 are being fantastic and allowing me to return the unused sprockets to them for a refund - in turn, I purchased the correct sizes, 18T and 50T, respectively.
                      Excellent news, that is great customer service. Do you have the correct length of chain for the bigger sprockets?


                      Mark

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                      • philosopheriam
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                        • Oct 2013
                        • 730
                        • Aurora, IL

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mmattockx
                        Excellent news, that is great customer service. Do you have the correct length of chain for the bigger sprockets?


                        Mark
                        Yep - thankfully that's the one thing I didn't mess up :-)
                        Cogito ergo sum - "I think, therefore I am"
                        Ren? Descartes

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