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  • DaveP
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    • Apr 2014
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    #1

    Timing Chain Jump at Crankshaft

    This is a continuation of my thread at http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...ve-not-seating about the loss of compression in the #3 cylinder and sudden poor running of the engine. I took a look at the timing tonight, not good. The timing jumped and most likely bent at least this one valve enough to prevent it from closing.

    The two cams are still aligned and the correct number of chain pins between the timing marks, but the crankshaft is not at TDC any more... the cams are ahead of the crankshaft.

    Scenario on the road when this problem occurred: back road, traveling about 35 mph around a somewhat blind curve and a car pulled out in front of me. Not quite an emergency stop, because I was able to hit the horn while rapidly slowing down behind this car, but that was the end of the good running engine. I was downshifting quickly, and braking hard, but would that have caused the chain to jump on the crankshaft?

    Pictures will be added in following posts since I can't add more than one at a time.

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  • DaveP
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    • Apr 2014
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    #2
    Exhaust cam mark 1 aligned with head gasket.

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    • DaveP
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      • Apr 2014
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      #3
      Marks 2 and 3, 20 pins apart.

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      • DaveP
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        • Apr 2014
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        #4
        Crankshaft not at TDC.

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        • DaveP
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          • Apr 2014
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          #5
          Rotate crankshaft to TDC, Marks 2 and 3 rotated ahead.

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          • DaveP
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            • Apr 2014
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            #6
            Crankshaft now at TDC.

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            • chuck hahn
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              • May 2009
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              #7
              Seems the problem was the tentioner stuck or has broke. And yes the chain could jump at the crank as slack.... or whip if you will..happened. Time to yank the head and get it right again would be my approach.
              Last edited by chuck hahn; 02-28-2017, 10:31 PM.
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              I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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              • DaveP
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                #8
                Looks like I have plenty of work to do now!
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                • bwringer
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                  #9
                  On at least half the cam chain tensioners I've encountered, someone has tightened the locking screw against the pushrod, therefore ensuring that the tensioner can't work.



                  No idea whether this is a partial explanation for what happened to your bike, but definitely pay attention to the state of the tensioner when you remove it.
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                  • DaveP
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                    • Apr 2014
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                    #10
                    The previous owner had the bike for 30 years. I don't think he did anything except for oil changes and tires, so everything else is just age and neglect.

                    Thanks for the link on the tensioner re-build. Your site is invaluable.

                    Dave
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                    • hannibal
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                      • Jun 2015
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                      #11
                      If it skipped at the crank, shouldn't the crank be ahead of the cams??
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                      • tom203
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                        • Aug 2010
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by hannibal
                        If it skipped at the crank, shouldn't the crank be ahead of the cams??
                        Hard braking ,sudden engine speed decrease,any chain slop could go either way on crank.
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                        • DaveP
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                          • Apr 2014
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                          #13
                          Pulled off the head today. The chain guide for the cam tensioner is snapped in half right where the tensioner would press against it.

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                          Does not look like much availability for this part...
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                          • chuck hahn
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                            #14
                            Bunch of used ones on Ebay..



                            Bikes that used that same PN...


                            Last edited by chuck hahn; 03-05-2017, 04:04 PM.
                            MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                            1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                            NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                            I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                            • DaveP
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                              • Apr 2014
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                              #15
                              I have ordered one. Hope it is in good shape.
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