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    Dead cylinder

    I?m trying to diagnose a dead #2 on my 83 gs750es. It has pods and was jetted but never ran well. I just realized #2 is cold so I tested everything i can think of. Valve clearance is spot on. I had an issue with my pickup coils being bent but fixing that didn?t make a difference. I swapped the plug wire between 2 and 3 with no effect. It is sparking the plug fine. The plug has gas on it when i checked its condition and gap. The confusing thing is the compression. I get 100 psi on every cylinder except 2 which is 130 psi. I?m not sure if im hearing things but when i have the guage on 2 and turn it over sometimes I hear a ? ting? sound. When I try to make it do it again I can?t, so I never get a good idea whats making the sound. I cant account for the high compression and the fact it wont fire with gas and spark. Is there a way just 2 can be out of time? I?m lost. I just rebuilt the carbs, the RIGHT WAY!, and replaced everything and dipped them - the whole 9 yards. I figured I better do that to rule out flooding in that cylinder. Please help.
  • rphillips
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    • Jun 2005
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    • Norene TN

    #2
    It's rare, but a plug can fire outside the cylinder, but under compression, not fire. swap the #1 & #2 plugs, just to be sure the #2 plug is firing under compression. won't take but a minute. If #1 quits firing, it's the plug.
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    • Steve
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      • Jun 2005
      • 35925
      • southwest oHIo

      #3
      Originally posted by EDGECRUSHER
      ... I just rebuilt the carbs, the RIGHT WAY!, and replaced everything and dipped them - the whole 9 yards. ...
      What all was included in the "everything" that was replaced?

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      • Guest

        #4
        Originally posted by rphillips
        It's rare, but a plug can fire outside the cylinder, but under compression, not fire. swap the #1 & #2 plugs, just to be sure the #2 plug is firing under compression. won't take but a minute. If #1 quits firing, it's the plug.
        did this with no effect

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        • Guest

          #5
          Originally posted by Steve
          What all was included in the "everything" that was replaced?

          .
          every o-ring, hard parts were soaked and cleaned like i said. I had dynojet #130 mains in and i swapped them for dynojet #124’s. No other changes. I have new intake boot orings but my testing did not show any vacuum leaks there, so I’m holding onto them for now.

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          • tom203
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            • Aug 2010
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            • Norway,Maine

            #6
            #2 cylinder.....of course, you?ve ruled out petcock dribbling down its vacuum line.

            ? The plug has gas on it when i checked its condition and gap.?
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            • Guest

              #7
              Yeah. I don’t understand how anyone can have a tank on and off as much as you do during this sort of thing and not notice that

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              • Guest

                #8
                What are the chances the exhaust valves aren’t opening even though I measured clearance several times?

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                • Guest

                  #9
                  I suppose this weekend I’ll need to pop the top off again and just confirm valves moving and timing is on. Doesn’t seem to be a lot to timing this engine. I don’t see any adjustments at the pickups...
                  I just really think this is something with the engine more than anything

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                  • Gorminrider
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                    • Aug 2012
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                    • British Columbia, Canada

                    #10
                    Originally posted by EDGECRUSHER
                    What are the chances the exhaust valves aren’t opening even though I measured clearance several times?
                    on my 650 i can see the valves opening through the plug holes. A finger over the plug hole will also inform as to compression and suction.

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                    • bobgroger
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                      • Jun 2013
                      • 2481
                      • Enumclaw, WA

                      #11
                      The pilot jet is the most common culprit. Under the Rubber plug next to the main jet. It has a VERY small hole in the end that can plug up in just a few weeks with Ethanol gas. You need a length of 30 gauge solid wire (.25mm) to clean it out. Hold it up to a light and make sure you can see through it. You DID put new rubber plugs in, right? You need them. I rebuilt a set of carbs in October and ran the bowls out of gas but didn't drain them. In February it wouldn't start and had 3 of 4 pilot jets plugged, and this in the # 1 and 2 bowls:
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                      • Guest

                        #12
                        I popped the top and the valves aren?t sticking. They have to be shutting all the way because I have compression. Ive heard the gasket can go bad between cylinders and cause a cylinder to read high but I?d imagine the other cylinder would show some kind of loss as well.

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                        • Cipher
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                          • Mar 2016
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                          • Toronto Ontario

                          #13
                          Did this thing run fine prior to the work you did.
                          Or at least fire all four cyls?

                          How is 100 on 3 and 130 on 1 high compression?

                          You swapped plugs swap plug caps
                          or move coils.
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                          • Nessism
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                            • Mar 2006
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                            #14
                            Sounds like a carb problem.
                            Ed

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Cipher
                              Did this thing run fine prior to the work you did.
                              Or at least fire all four cyls?

                              How is 100 on 3 and 130 on 1 high compression?

                              You swapped plugs swap plug caps
                              or move coils.
                              next time i see you post a question ill ask it back to you too lol

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