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  • Rich82GS750TZ
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    #46
    So it goes here, but only on some CV carbs?



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    • Nessism
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      #47
      Originally posted by Rich82GS750TZ
      So it goes here, but only on some CV carbs?

      Yes................

      Ed

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      • Rich82GS750TZ
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        #48
        Thanks Ed. Sometimes I need to be spoon-fed.
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        • rphillips
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          #49
          Rekon, if anyone could contact him, Robert Barr would have a clue about finding those things?
          1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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          • 93Bandit
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            #50
            Originally posted by Rich82GS750TZ
            So it goes here, but only on some CV carbs?


            Thanks for the image! So it goes under that aluminum plug?
            - 1983 GS850L ~ 30,000 miles and going up - Finally ready for a proper road trip!
            - 1977 GS750B - Sold but not forgotten

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            • Nessism
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              #51
              Originally posted by 93Bandit

              Thanks for the image! So it goes under that aluminum plug?
              On top.

              That plug is the type that chuck was looking for here recently. Most of the time they are wedged in so tight there is no way to get them out. Other times, they fall out. It's the later where the donuts are needed. Or, if they are so loose that they are leaking, pop them out and use some sealer on the plug taper, then put them back in place, followed by a soft punch to swedge them back where they belong.

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              • gustovh
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                #52
                Originally posted by Nessism

                On top.

                That plug is the type that chuck was looking for here recently. Most of the time they are wedged in so tight there is no way to get them out. Other times, they fall out. It's the later where the donuts are needed. Or, if they are so loose that they are leaking, pop them out and use some sealer on the plug taper, then put them back in place, followed by a soft punch to swedge them back where they belong.
                Good advice. What I have going now is fact finding. I had a vacuum leak before, now it seems that I don’t. When the new spark plug caps arrive I’ll go for a blast if I can and then we will know.
                Its interesting that I have had zero issues with loose plugs and the carbs came with the rubber washers.

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                • gustovh
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                  #53
                  Well took the old girl out and rung her out a bit and am happy to say the problem is fixed and no more idle issues. maybe this discussion will help someone some day.

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                  Gustov
                  80 GS 1100 LT, 83 1100 G "Scruffy"
                  81 GS 1000 G
                  79 GS 850 G
                  81 GS 850 L
                  83 GS 550 ES, 85 GS 550 ES
                  80 GS 550 L
                  86 450 Rebel, 70CL 70, Yamaha TTR125
                  2002 Honda 919
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                  • pdqford
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                    #54
                    Glad to hear it’s running well again.
                    Did you end up applying a sealer to the plugs?
                    Or use the Kawasaki donuts on the plugs?
                    Jim, in Central New York State.

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                    • gustovh
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                      #55
                      Originally posted by pdqford
                      Glad to hear it’s running well again.
                      Did you end up applying a sealer to the plugs?
                      Or use the Kawasaki donuts on the plugs?
                      Those are not the plugs that were the issue. It is the round ring seal that covers the aluminum plugs in the carb body that is covered by the bowl gasket.

                      I used O rings and filled the hole in their center with fuel resistant rtv...ya ya I know, we will see how long that hack lasts, but it did fix the issue till I get new doughnuts.

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                      Gustov
                      80 GS 1100 LT, 83 1100 G "Scruffy"
                      81 GS 1000 G
                      79 GS 850 G
                      81 GS 850 L
                      83 GS 550 ES, 85 GS 550 ES
                      80 GS 550 L
                      86 450 Rebel, 70CL 70, Yamaha TTR125
                      2002 Honda 919
                      2004 Ural Gear up

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                      • gustovh
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                        #56
                        Well after replacing every O ring and gasket for the forth time I still had a vacuumed leak, a really bad one. I had one thing left to try. I pulled the rack of carbs off a 80 750E that is waiting its turn in the shop. I pulled the float bowls and to my surprise they were spotless which boded well for the surgery to come. I separated the rack to remove the choke plungers…like new, was half tempted to just try the rack…nope.

                        Removed the carbs from my 1100L, separated them and installed the new plungers, reracked the carbs and put them back on. Rode a 100 miles yesterday with no sign of a leak.

                        Now to sync the carbs and do a bit of tuning. WoooHooo she’s back.

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                        Gustov
                        80 GS 1100 LT, 83 1100 G "Scruffy"
                        81 GS 1000 G
                        79 GS 850 G
                        81 GS 850 L
                        83 GS 550 ES, 85 GS 550 ES
                        80 GS 550 L
                        86 450 Rebel, 70CL 70, Yamaha TTR125
                        2002 Honda 919
                        2004 Ural Gear up

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                        • gustovh
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                          #57
                          I may cut my wrists, it’s back, different carbs in the future me thinks.

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                          Gustov
                          80 GS 1100 LT, 83 1100 G "Scruffy"
                          81 GS 1000 G
                          79 GS 850 G
                          81 GS 850 L
                          83 GS 550 ES, 85 GS 550 ES
                          80 GS 550 L
                          86 450 Rebel, 70CL 70, Yamaha TTR125
                          2002 Honda 919
                          2004 Ural Gear up

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                          • gustovh
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                            #58
                            The new carbs no work….redid the old ones again, success? We will see, but it idles now again.

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                            Gustov
                            80 GS 1100 LT, 83 1100 G "Scruffy"
                            81 GS 1000 G
                            79 GS 850 G
                            81 GS 850 L
                            83 GS 550 ES, 85 GS 550 ES
                            80 GS 550 L
                            86 450 Rebel, 70CL 70, Yamaha TTR125
                            2002 Honda 919
                            2004 Ural Gear up

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                            • chuck hahn
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                              #59
                              I may have missed it but when spraying starter fluid is the revs changing when hitting the intake manifolds? If so i have 3 solutions.1 is the clamps are so stretched they dont squeeze the rubber down tight enough. 2 is the orings in the intakes need replaced. 3 the rubber is too hard for the clamps to sufficiently squezze the good enough.
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                              • gustovh
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                                #60
                                Ran all the checks and came up clean, very clean carbs. The problem slowly came on at the end of a 1000 mile ride and got worse as time passed. I am running a stage one kit and have always run the pilots around 11/2 turns. If I go much more I get a hanging idle. Still tweaking them but may be a while now as other things get in the way. She does turn up fairly good now just waiting for the hammer to drop again.

                                i wonder if a set off a 83 1000G would work….

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                                Gustov
                                80 GS 1100 LT, 83 1100 G "Scruffy"
                                81 GS 1000 G
                                79 GS 850 G
                                81 GS 850 L
                                83 GS 550 ES, 85 GS 550 ES
                                80 GS 550 L
                                86 450 Rebel, 70CL 70, Yamaha TTR125
                                2002 Honda 919
                                2004 Ural Gear up

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