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  • gsvol

    #1

    1980 Petcock ? ASAP

    It is sucking air at the hole where the slot is for the flathead. Put your thumb over it while bike is running and u can feel it sucking a little on your thumb

    I take it this is not right?
  • Tom R
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    • 777
    • Chicago, IL

    #2
    How much air? It does act as an air bleed. Turn it 90 degrees and see if it stops - keep in mind, though, that's prime position and the fuel may still flow after you shut the bike down (if prime still works).
    If your bike isn't suffering from fuel starvation, then it's probably fine.
    Last edited by Tom R; 04-03-2013, 12:38 PM.
    -1980 GS1100 LT
    -1975 Honda cb750K
    -1972 Honda cl175
    - Currently presiding over a 1970 T500

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    • gsvol

      #3
      not much air

      i can free turn it ether way it wont stop, i can turn and turn it

      i put chewing gum over it to stop it
      Last edited by Guest; 04-03-2013, 12:41 PM.

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      • Nessism
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        #4
        The petcock should not draw vacuum like you suggest. Something is wrong - most likely the diaphragm is ruptured, which can allow fuel to leak back down the vacuum line and into the carbs that way. Not good. A new OEM petcock costs about $75 + shipping from places like Boulevard Suzuki.
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        • gsvol

          #5
          Originally posted by Nessism
          The petcock should not draw vacuum like you suggest. Something is wrong - most likely the diaphragm is ruptured, which can allow fuel to leak back down the vacuum line and into the carbs that way. Not good. A new OEM petcock costs about $75 + shipping from places like Boulevard Suzuki.
          what if i gut it plug off the vac line? and put in a on off in the fuel line like a briggs and straton fuel shut off?

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          • Tom R
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            • 777
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            #6
            If you take one apart, you'll see that it is an air bleed and will suck air through the center. Like you say, not much. Your bubble gum trick effectively put your petcock in prime.
            -1980 GS1100 LT
            -1975 Honda cb750K
            -1972 Honda cl175
            - Currently presiding over a 1970 T500

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            • Dogma
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              • Sep 2007
              • 7144
              • Mason, OH (SW)

              #7
              The plastic bit in the '80 petcock's selector valve seems to shrink over time. This results in a vacuum leak that prevents the diaphragm from holding the main valve open. The prime setting won't work, and the carbs will starve for fuel at highway speeds.

              You can't rebuild it. Get a replacement as suggested if you have other symptoms. I've never checked to see if mine leaks where you describe, and I can't go check it now.
              Dogma
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              • gsvol

                #8
                so can i gut and put in and on off fuel switch?

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                • Tom R
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                  #9
                  If by gutting it you mean removing the spring under the diaphragm - sure. But if it's running fine, why would you?
                  -1980 GS1100 LT
                  -1975 Honda cb750K
                  -1972 Honda cl175
                  - Currently presiding over a 1970 T500

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                  • Tom R
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                    #10
                    Not sure what bike you have, but most lawn mower fuel line is only 1/4".
                    -1980 GS1100 LT
                    -1975 Honda cb750K
                    -1972 Honda cl175
                    - Currently presiding over a 1970 T500

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                    • gsvol

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tom R
                      If by gutting it you mean removing the spring under the diaphragm - sure. But if it's running fine, why would you?

                      so do i need to take the gum off and let it suck air?

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                      • tom203
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by gsvol
                        so do i need to take the gum off and let it suck air?
                        Sure, but why not just get a new petcock and eliminate a possible disaster.



                        $50 delivered- even cheaper if you go direct to his site and spare him ebay fees!
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                        • Nessism
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by tom203
                          Sure, but why not just get a new petcock and eliminate a possible disaster.



                          $50 delivered- even cheaper if you go direct to his site and spare him ebay fees!
                          I bought a similar petcock from Z1 and the prime setting doesn't work correctly. Maybe just bad luck but have an OEM petcock on order now.
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                          • Dogma
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                            • Sep 2007
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                            • Mason, OH (SW)

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nessism
                            I bought a similar petcock from Z1 and the prime setting doesn't work correctly. Maybe just bad luck but have an OEM petcock on order now.
                            How did it behave? My replacement (either from Z1 or PartShark, I don't remember) needed a pulse of vacuum to open it. So, set it to prime, turn her over a few times and wait a couple minutes.
                            Dogma
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                            '80 GS1000 GT
                            '01 ZRX1200R

                            How to get a "What's New" feed without the Vortex, and without permanently quitting the Vortex

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                            • Nessism
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Dogma
                              How did it behave? My replacement (either from Z1 or PartShark, I don't remember) needed a pulse of vacuum to open it. So, set it to prime, turn her over a few times and wait a couple minutes.
                              My bike won't start without extensive cranking after being parked for a couple of weeks. No fuel in the float bowls. I'm familiar with the need for a vacuum pulse to activate the Prime system, but that doesn't work. Apparently the check valve doesn't hold, or it's leaking vacuum out the front like the petcock described in this thread. Haven't taken it apart to check yet.
                              Last edited by Nessism; 04-04-2013, 08:53 AM.
                              Ed

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