GS1000 8 valve with 3000 rpm problem

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    GS1000 8 valve with 3000 rpm problem

    Suzuki
    Gs1000
    60785km
    Cylinder revision 0.5, new timing chain and exhaust guides
    Carbs 6/19/2019 Cleaned Ultrasonic and fitted with new O-rings (did 250km)
    7/9/2020 New Inlet rubbers (Cruzin Image)
    Engine has stood still for a year since carb cleaning.
    What I have been doing since Thursday 7/9/2020:
    Places new pistons/rings
    Placed topend with new gaskets.
    Head has new exhaust valve guides
    Valve clearance checked.
    Compression test:6.8 - 6.8 - 6.9 - 6.7 bar 98 - 98 - 100 - 97 psi
    Temp Exhaust after 1 min. 85-75-100-70 Celcius
    Temp Exhaust after 4 minutes 130-120-150-100

    Problem, Machine start @1200 rpm, but when the throttle is touched, the machine rises his rpm tp 3500rpm.
    Little explosions in the intake at cil 1 en 2.
    I thinke some vacu?m leaks but can't find any
    synchronization is difficult
    What can cause this?
    Last edited by Guest; 07-12-2020, 11:21 AM.
  • chuck hahn
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    #2
    Some possibilities:

    Grip sticking inside switch box
    Cable itself sticking
    Cables routed wrong
    Intake manifold oring leak
    Clamps not sealing intakes tightly to carbs....stretched clamp syndrome
    Air screws running too lean..turning them out will lean the mix and in richens it. Set bottom pilots at 7/8 out from lightly seated and leave them alone.
    Adjusting VM carbs is via the side air screws. start at 1 1/2 to 2 turns out.
    Last edited by chuck hahn; 07-12-2020, 02:51 PM.
    MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
    1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

    NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


    I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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    • chuck hahn
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      #3
      And assuming non of the above..or adjustments have been made..the last thing will be the sync..a good syncs gonna change idle speed and idle knob adjustments as you start bringing cylinders into sync
      MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
      1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

      NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


      I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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      • chuck hahn
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        #4
        Got the vacuum nipple on carb 3 capped while trying to sync? big leak there if not.
        MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
        1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

        NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


        I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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        • Big T
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          #5
          Originally posted by chuck hahn
          Some possibilities:

          Air screws running too lean..turning them out will richen the mix and in leans it out. Swt bottom pilots at 7/8 out from lightly seated and leave them alone.
          Adiusting VM carbs is via the side air screws. start at 1 1/2 to 2 turns out.
          Chuck, when did this change occur?

          Opening the air screws leans the mixture
          1978 GS 1000 (since new)
          1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
          1978 GS 1000 (parts)
          1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
          1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
          1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
          2007 DRz 400S
          1999 ATK 490ES
          1994 DR 350SES

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          • chuck hahn
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            #6
            oopss i typed what i was thinking backwards. yes out lean...in rich.
            MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
            1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

            NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


            I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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            • Big T
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              #7
              Peter, what year 1000?
              Because, Chuck and I are assuming 78-79 with VM carbs
              1978 GS 1000 (since new)
              1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
              1978 GS 1000 (parts)
              1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
              1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
              1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
              2007 DRz 400S
              1999 ATK 490ES
              1994 DR 350SES

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              • Guest

                #8
                Originally posted by chuck hahn
                Some possibilities:

                Grip sticking inside switch box
                Could you explain what you mean (grip, Switch box)
                Cable itself sticking
                Oil the cable?
                Cables routed wrong
                ! shall take some prictures
                Intake manifold oring leak
                new one by Cruzinimage
                Clamps not sealing intakes tightly to carbs....stretched clamp syndrome
                I did a brake flued test, cycle didn't react.
                Air screws running too lean..turning them out will lean the mix and in richens it. Set bottom pilots at 7/8 out from lightly seated and leave them alone.
                7/8 is very low, books say a 1979 US 1 turn?
                Adjusting VM carbs is via the side air screws. start at 1 1/2 to 2 turns out.
                Ok Thanks !

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                • Guest

                  #9
                  Originally posted by chuck hahn
                  Got the vacuum nipple on carb 3 capped while trying to sync? big leak there if not.
                  Yes i did!

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                  • Guest

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Big T
                    Peter, what year 1000?
                    Because, Chuck and I are assuming 78-79 with VM carbs
                    Yes, a 1979 with VM Carbs!

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                    • chuck hahn
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                      #11
                      set up carbs as i described. book doesnt give a pilot screw setting ( bottom ones )..it says they are preadjusted do not adjust. Set side air screws at 1 1/2. This isnt my first rodeo. Youll be real close and a colortune will get each jug perfect.

                      Brake fluid test?? AHHHH you spray starter fluid on intakes to detect vacuum leaks.
                      GRIP... it rides in a groove inside the right switch housing. I once had a cable end that dragged and i had to file the flat sides of the furrel to free it up.
                      MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                      1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                      NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                      I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                      • Guest

                        #12
                        Originally posted by chuck hahn
                        set up carbs as i described. book doesnt give a pilot screw setting ( bottom ones )..it says they are preadjusted do not adjust.
                        They have already been detached by the previous owner, you say 7/8 is that of 400 decimal degrees (= 1 turn around)

                        Set side air screws at 1 1/2. This isnt my first rodeo. Youll be real close and a colortune will get each jug perfect.
                        Ok thanks, I've a colortune

                        Brake fluid test?? AHHHH you spray starter fluid on intakes to detect vacuum leaks.
                        GRIP... it rides in a groove inside the right switch housing. I once had a cable end that dragged and i had to file the flat sides of the furrel to free it up.
                        Oh, now I get it, this is clear

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                        • Rich82GS750TZ
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                          #13
                          Please don't spray brake fluid anywhere. Maybe something got lost in translation here. Not a good idea. It will destroy paint.
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                          • Big T
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                            #14
                            OK, do the Colortune adjustment
                            Then, regarding the sync, are you trying to adjust the height up, or down?
                            1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                            1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                            1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                            1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                            1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                            1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                            2007 DRz 400S
                            1999 ATK 490ES
                            1994 DR 350SES

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Rich82GS750TZ
                              Please don't spray brake fluid anywhere. Maybe something got lost in translation here. Not a good idea. It will destroy paint.
                              What do you propose as a replacement?

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