GS1000S Wes Cooley? Engine?

[Pharkmeh]

Pharkmeh - an "S" or not ???

While there are some obvious differences between countries, the confusion has been compounded by people talking about their 1980 bikes compared to this 1979 model.

I've got a genuine 1979 GS1000SN parts bike, the frame looks identical to that years E model, the main difference is obviously the fairing and additional instruments, the Mikuni VM28mm carbs (over 26mm on the E for 1979) oil pressure/temp sender plate and the 18 inch rear wheel. I've never seen a genuine S with a factory fitted 17 inch rear wheel, so I doubt if that one is an original fitment, but who knows what happened in Germany.

My red and white 1981 GS1000ST is different again, it has the factory "rear set" pegs and gear linkage, rectangular indicators and master cylinder, 18 inch rear wheel, (both wheels had gold painted spoke and rim centres, as opposed to black on all other models) Mikuni 33mm slide carbs, (factory fitment for Oz, as opposed to 34mm CV's for the US) bigger inlet cam, stepped seat, and stupid petcock with fake "prime" position. (since replaced with a pingel) it's also got the big port head, but that was common across the range. Interestingly, the GS1000G, with the same top end spec as the E, was actually faster! (gearing)

As far as "what is it worth" goes, I've seen a mint 1979 GS1000SN go for $8500.00 (AUD, or about 6400 US) and I've seen ones needing rebuilds, but complete, go for under $1000.00. If you want an investment, you're better off buying shares mate, the GS1000S is still a very capable sports bike, and while it might not ever be worth as much as one of those vile handling Kawasaki Z1's, it is a far better bike, and should be ridden regularly. Cheers, Terry.

glad you got the info you wanted svahnm

but now Im more confused than ever...

so forgive meh if I jack your thread m8



my old girl is supposed to be an '81 GS1000S

chassie number - GS1000534***

engine number - GS 1000151***

although I noticed yesterday checking the tyres the rear is actually a "17 and the front is "19

the instrument panel appears consistent with an '81 model

but as mentioned in an earlier thread my gear linkage is also different other "S" models I have seen

it goes like all buggery pulling cleanly though all gears and revs, and handles the twisties better than I would have thought an old bike like this could...

but I'd like to know if it is a genuine "S" or a mock up...

I suppose some of the problem maybe that PO's have used what ever parts they could get to maintain her abnd now she is possibly a combo of various models???


over to you guyz who know better than meh...





cheers

Phark

[svahnm]

http://www.suzukicycles.org/GS-series/index.html (choose gs 1000s on the left pane first)

says about 1000s info..

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1980 (actually a 1979? See the text above) GS1000S, the German model with 17-ich rear wheel. Scanned from the official German Suzuki sales brochure.
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Those signals, mirrors, brake reservoir and gear lingage are the first to get broken when the bike has been stumbled...

My case the seller first made me understand that bike is rare s-model and the price should be 50% higher, but he has to sell it quick. Later story started to change a bit so I decided to leave the bargain just for the principle. The bike itself was pretty ok and quite well worth of buying...

[Pharkmeh]

yup - I know the brake fluid reservoir is different...

and the PO did drop the thing getting it off his truck just before his intended sale - hence the replaced mirrors n grips and cowl damage


it does have the drilled rear n duel front rotors though


be checkin all the links here

cheers



Phark

[Bill Alexander]

my old girl is supposed to be an '81 GS1000S

chassie number - GS1000534***

engine number - GS 1000151***

although I noticed yesterday checking the tyres the rear is actually a "17 and the front is "19

My go to for frame/engine info is http://www.ozebook.com/compendium/su...nos/engnos.htm, whether it is accurate or not I don't know but it does seem reasonably authentic.

Anyway, based on that, yours would actually be an S or E from 1980(could be it was late 80 and registered in 81 ????). The back wheel size would tend to suggest it is either a modified E or an S made up with parts from an E. Given that the fame and engines for the 80 S & E come from within the same number sequence there is really no way to tell which it began life as. It make you wonder ......

[gbchris]

gs 1000 s

the mirrors,mastercylinder,levers,indicators,rear passenger foot pegs and shock absorbers are not the original

[Pharkmeh]

My go to for frame/engine info is http://www.ozebook.com/compendium/su...nos/engnos.htm, whether it is accurate or not I don't know but it does seem reasonably authentic.

Anyway, based on that, yours would actually be an S or E from 1980(could be it was late 80 and registered in 81 ????). The back wheel size would tend to suggest it is either a modified E or an S made up with parts from an E. Given that the fame and engines for the 80 S & E come from within the same number sequence there is really no way to tell which it began life as. It make you wonder ......

thx for the link

the mirrors,mastercylinder,levers,indicators,rear passenger foot pegs and shock absorbers are not the original

yup - zactly -love them Koni shocks though

didnt realise the indicators or rear pegs werent original

thx

[Guest]

You can still get the original mirrors from Suzuki.... a bit pricey though... $45.00 per mirror :shock:

[tfb]

I think part of the problem in sleuthing all this kind of stuff out, is that Suzuki did so many variations according to (i) the legal requirements of the various overseas markets, (ii) their idea of what would sell best in each market, and (iii) what parts they had lying around in the factory!

Like, the forks on my 1000ST (1980) have to be the original items, but do you think I can find them covered in any manual I can get my mits on?

If you want to see another example of the confusion that reigns even in 'official' circles, go to the page for the GS1000S on www.suzukicycles.org, and take a look at the supposedly 'original' red & white model they have there. It most definitely isn't the original paint scheme, because take a close look at the sidecover: the border between the red and white paint doesn't ran parallel to the angle that runs horizontally along the sidecover, a common repainting mistake. So it's been repainted, and using the blue & white layout but with red & white paint, I would say.

Pharkmeh, I wouldn't worry too much. Overall your bike looks like an S with it's tasty variant paintjob, and I'll bet it goes like an S, too. Therefore it is an S.

Just my two-bob's worth.

[Pharkmeh]

You can still get the original mirrors from Suzuki.... a bit pricey though... $45.00 per mirror :shock:

yeah - thx for that m8 - pretty dear

I kinda like the tear drop ones - they seem to reach out little from body so I can actually see a lil traffic behind meh...

I think part of the problem in sleuthing all this kind of stuff out, is that Suzuki did so many variations according to (i) the legal requirements of the various overseas markets, (ii) their idea of what would sell best in each market, and (iii) what parts they had lying around in the factory!

Like, the forks on my 1000ST (1980) have to be the original items, but do you think I can find them covered in any manual I can get my mits on?

If you want to see another example of the confusion that reigns even in 'official' circles, go to the page for the GS1000S on www.suzukicycles.org, and take a look at the supposedly 'original' red & white model they have there. It most definitely isn't the original paint scheme, because take a close look at the sidecover: the border between the red and white paint doesn't ran parallel to the angle that runs horizontally along the sidecover, a common repainting mistake. So it's been repainted, and using the blue & white layout but with red & white paint, I would say.

Pharkmeh, I wouldn't worry too much. Overall your bike looks like an S with it's tasty variant paintjob, and I'll bet it goes like an S, too. Therefore it is an S.

Just my two-bob's worth.

Your right m8...

thats some sound advice there buddy

I enjoy riding that bike so much... there are times I'd almost get us a room ffs \\/


its just so tuff...

Im a really big guy - no way foolin mehself about it - and that bike cranks hard every single time I twist the throttle - its forgiving everytime I chuck it mercilessly into a corner - it doesnt complain at being ridden at high speeds for pronlonged periods... every day & sometimes twice a day....

thx for ur posts

cheers


Phark

[terry]

my old girl is supposed to be an '81 GS1000S

chassie number - GS1000534***

engine number - GS 1000151***

although I noticed yesterday checking the tyres the rear is actually a "17 and the front is "19

the instrument panel appears consistent with an '81 model

but as mentioned in an earlier thread my gear linkage is also different other "S" models I have seen

but I'd like to know if it is a genuine "S" or a mock up...


over to you guyz who know better than meh...


cheers

Phark

G'Day Pharky, I can't enlarge your pics from here (restricted defence internet) so I'll check 'em out when I get home, and I'll compare your numbers to my genuine 1981 model "S", and let you know. Cheers, Terry.

[Pharkmeh]

G'Day Pharky, I can't enlarge your pics from here (restricted defence internet) so I'll check 'em out when I get home, and I'll compare your numbers to my genuine 1981 model "S", and let you know. Cheers, Terry.

gr8 Terry


thx m8

Phark

[terry]

I wrote the numbers on an empty beer carton (a sad sight........) but forgot to bring it inside and post them, I'll do it tonight. Sorry Pharky!

[Sandy]

Interesting going through this post. There seems to be lots of possible variables as to figuring out if it's true "S" or a repro. One thing to maybe check is to look at the back side of one of the side covers and see if there are two holes that have been filled where the GS1000 emblems would have been attached. The "S" has decals so there should not have been any holes there. Terry, were the original "S" side covers moulded white plastic with white paint or were they actually moulded black plastic with white paint? There could be a clue here.

[terry]

G'Day Sandy, I think all the sidecovers were moulded from black plastic, and painted accordingly. The original covers on mine don't have badge holes of course, but a good "bog man" could easily fill them and as the "S" sidecovers are painted on both sides, (it was probably easier to paint them, than mask them off in the factory) they'd be hard to pick as not original.

The biggest giveaway on the 80/81 GS1000S is the factory rear set pegs, as they'd be hard to fabricate without extensive frame mods. Basically, if the bike was definately built in 80 or 81 doesn't have them, it's not an "S". Cheers, Terry.